You're so close to getting it.

If you could somehow shelter people from the idea of ending it, you'd have created the torment nexus. People who do so usually do it because they see negative things coming up and they're too tired to continue. What you're advocating for is everyone to run an endless marathon where if you fall behind or stop, you'd get endlessly whipped to continue no matter how much your wounds are bleeding from it.

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Vishal_Max a day ago | parent | next [-]

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm advocating for. I'm not saying people should be forced to run an endless marathon regardless of how badly they're suffering. I'm saying that when someone is suffering that badly, we should help them rather than let suicide become the way they escape from it.

I'm not blaming people for the circumstances they're in or saying their suffering isn't real. I'm questioning the environment that teaches people what to do when they reach that point. Different people go through incredibly difficult situations and develop different ways of coping. My point is that ending your life shouldn't be one of those ways.

If someone is so exhausted that they feel they can't continue, the answer should be to help them, change their circumstances where possible, and help them find another way through it. Otherwise, what is the point of helping someone who is suicidal in the first place?

The goal isn't to force people to keep suffering. The goal is to help them stop suffering without ending their life.

	▲	bilegeek a day ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> we should help them rather than let suicide become the way they escape from it. > the answer should be to help them, change their circumstances where possible, and help them find another way through it. You left that part out originally. You meant it implicitly, so I may seem pedantic, but this kind of thing must be said explicitly. For example: the asylum system. Abolishing it's ubiquity was unarguably good, but then they just... stopped there, leaving many people in the lurch.[1] To paraphrase and oversimplify MLK, "presence of justice is much harder than absence of tension." [1]https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/how-defunding-abusive-in...
	▲	epestr a day ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I'll go ahead and assume you are from India. While all suicides do carry certain commanalities, the academic ones seem much more Indian. The meritocratic view perpetuated has caused generations of kids who's belief becomes that being academically well-off leads to better life outcomes. The shame, and to a lesser extent guilt, associated with a possibility of not acheiving this goal is often too hard to handle that they give up. 4 kids dead this way last year in my school, 2 more so far.

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epestr a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Torment run would be becoming a masochist to cope. The comment likely refers to the ability in being able to identify the alternatives, and being flexible.

Torment run would be slogging under the student's adviser, the other option being reporting him, or switching advisers, or any other option life presents.

	▲	Vishal_Max a day ago \| parent [-]
		Yes, you are right. If someone reaches a point where they feel that their situation is so bad that they have to die because of it, then reporting the adviser, switching advisers, escaping to another place, completely starting a new life, or whatever other option life presents could potentially make their life much better, and in some cases even be life-changing. I mean, what worse could happen by trying these options than ending your life? If someone has the courage to make such a drastic decision as ending their life, you could also help them muster the courage to completely restart their life instead.

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someguynamedq a day ago | parent | prev [-]

No, and frankly this is a pro-suicidal framework of thinking.