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abixb an hour ago

I think Meta's strategy is to capture the 'normie-tier' of AI users. I know most of us here on HN track model releases quite frequently and discuss every parameter weight out of them, but most of the world is just... oblivious?

I was discussing latest in tech with an accounting friend out of curiosity, and I kept talking about tiers of GPT-5.6 (Sol vs Terra vs Luna) and asked which one she used on the desktop 'Work' app, and she responded with, "just ChatGPT, what is Sol?."

I then realized that most people just stick with whatever default they're provided with, and it's a lot of them. So, us serial HN users and commenters are the extreme minority, and I'm sure millions of people will gobble up this Muse agent from Meta as if it's some sort of an innovative cutting-edge way to use the internet by Meta alone.

Curse of knowledge and all. [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_knowledge

ajkjk an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I think you're right, but I'd add that... if this wasn't obvious to you without being told, you should really question your worldview a bit.

A lot of people think that chat.com is an AI called "chat". Most people don't know acronym "LLM". Most people don't know about the existence of companies called "OpenAI" or "Anthropic", or that they are worth a lot of money. Etc.

abixb an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> you should really question your worldview a bit.

Yeah, I still struggle with it. I have a diverse friend circle and sometimes I forget that most of them don't have the same information diet that I do (or don't even care about tech the way I do). Maybe I should be more like them and just chill? I don't know.

wredcoll 36 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

You don't have to "be like" anyone but yourself. You should, however, be aware of what you know and more importantly what you do not know.

rr808 7 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Tech is a rather minor part of the world of knowledge. How many languages do you know? Do you know the styles of Renaissance painters? Slept with super-model? Ever seen an elephant stampede? Meditated by the Ganges? Read thousands of stories? Climbed a mountain so high you need Oxygen? Tech stuff is so boring.

ajkjk 30 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

well probably even your friends know a lot more than "most people". But walk into a random town and ask a random person and I'd wager they'll be about at what I described, on average.

ctkhn 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Even Shingy called chatgpt "chat" when he went on Ed Zitron's show. It was very weird to hear from a guy who has been around tech world for such a long time even if he's non technical.

fathermarz 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is very accurate. I teach seniors about how to use AI responsibly and they are always mind blown, and I keep it very high level. The amount of Chat”GTP” users there are out there that have no idea who the main vendors are. Most of them also think that Google is just a “search” company.

mathisfun123 29 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> OpenAI

this is unnecessarily austere or whatever - people absolutely know what openai is because lots of "normies" now use chatgpt

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dRE41eYkui4

nikcub 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> "just ChatGPT, what is Sol?."

i'd really like to see some analytics on what proportion of users have ever switched the model in chatgpt because I anecdotally believe it is < 5%

Gigachad an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think we are lacking in the easy to use side of things. Once you go beyond browser based chatbots things become hard to set up.

I see lots of posting about using AI to create patches to get new apps working in wine, or reverse engineering firmware. But every time I’ve tried it it’s been quite a lot of work to set everything up. Even more so if you want VMs and some level of isolation from your sensitive data.

Having something that’s just a one click product that just works is more important than the smartest model.

abixb 43 minutes ago | parent [-]

I remember Logan Kilpatrick from Google talking about how AGI will be more of an experience with a product than raw 'intelligence' of a model. [0] No one outside of the nerd community cares about benchmarks or any of the other crap. They just want their tech to work so they could go do other IRL things.

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1ldkkth/google...

randycupertino an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think of my mom who doesn't care and doesn't understand the difference between google AI Overview vs actual google search results. "I looked it up" - she doesn't care what tool she is using she just wants answers to how long bake pork or the best throw pillows to buy or whatever else she is looking up.

She's mostly using google AI tools because it's easy and free and on her landing page.

m11a 35 minutes ago | parent [-]

tbh I also use google AI tools frequently. It’s convenient (search bar is top of my window), and extremely fast at generation. For quick Qs, opening a chat bot and changing the default reasoning from my coding settings, switching from Work to Chat, etc etc, is too much of a faff.

tikotus 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm a coder and a daily driver of ChatGPT and I don't really know what Sol is or how I can access it. I follow discussions here and know of its excistence, but I can't remember its relation to other models or tiers by heart. What ever the default thing the website is giving me has been good enough for my needs for years.

marcd35 30 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Its mostly used with Codex so you can give finer control over task delegation.

its definitely worth learning the different strengths and weaknesses for each one and which you should use for planning/building/testing/documentation updates etc.

No point in burning excessive tokens using a high tier/expensive reasoning model like Sol/Xhigh if just updating a readme file.

redox99 16 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Do you... code by copy pasting chatgpt web???

tikotus 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yes! Though I mainly use it for one-shotting full files, so I'm not copying over small diffs. I did try copilot at some point in vscode, but after a week or so I felt like it was slowing me down. Something I knew would be a simple and quick change was now slow since I didn't have enough ownership of the code to do it quickly myself, and prompting for the change took longer than changing it manually if I had had full ownership. So I went back to coding by hand things that aren't a one-shot file.

magicmicah85 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Literally what I was about to comment. This is meant to capture the normies, the busy parents managing school and work, the grandparents who want to make most of their retirement.

I am trying it now. It let me name my muse as Satan. I appreciate that it understands my humor, but I'm also not joking at the same time.

arcanemachiner 38 minutes ago | parent [-]

Is "normies" finally a mainstream word? Just wondering how out of the loop I am here.

magicmicah85 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

I've never heard a normie use it. ;)

MattDamonSpace 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah this to me is why Apple wins

benatkin 33 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

To me it sounds like they are simply taking social moon shots. They tried to do a phone, tried to make a kitchen videophone, tried to make their own cryptocurrency, and tried to dominate open source AI, and now this is trying to make something like a digital robotic assistant. It might have reached a peak with the metaverse, when Zuck thought his corporation was destined to be the ruler of a Snow Crash style metaverse, to the point of renaming it. Maybe that's still the plan and they are looking for something that will lead to another metaverse play.

Gigachad 21 minutes ago | parent [-]

They need the next big thing to secure the future of the company. Facebook and Instagram are still money printers which can sustain these repeated failures, but without something new, they could be completely ruined if the social media landscape changes.