| ▲ | Cpoll an hour ago |
| Not sufficient, given reports of TVs and other devices automatically creating mesh networks. Your disconnected TV could talk to your neighbour's connected one. If anything, I wonder why LG isn't already doing it. |
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| ▲ | coldpie an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| Unless you have evidence, please stop spreading this rumor. |
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| ▲ | deadbunny an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Could you link to these reports, the ones with evidence? |
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| ▲ | Lammy an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | If something is technically possible, one should act as though it is already happening and hope to be wrong rather than refusing to consider the issue until sufficient “proof” is given, by which it will be too late. Doubly so when advertisers are involved, who as a group are economically-incentivized to not care about consent. | | |
| ▲ | deadbunny an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | This would be trivial to test and detect. Just like every claim that TVs will connect to open WiFi networks if you don't connect them to a network. Yet after years of these claims and being extremely trivial to test not a single shred of evidence has ever been provided. | | | |
| ▲ | nickff an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | This seems paranoid. There are many things which are technically possible, but there is no evidence of some super-advertiser doing. It's not even clear to me that much of the 'fingerprinting' (past basic re-targeting) actually works. | | |
| ▲ | privong an hour ago | parent [-] | | > This seems paranoid. There are many things which are technically possible, but [...] Isn't this what people said pre-Snowden? Not that NSA spying is the same as corporate "surveillance capitalism", but if companies can make more money off it and the technology exists, it seems prudent to assume companies are trying it. | | |
| ▲ | nickff an hour ago | parent [-] | | There was evidence of the NSA intercepting international communications before Snowden, but for some reason that didn't seem to make much of a lasting impression: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A It's also significant to note that while the government is quite bad at keeping 'problematic' behavior secret, companies are much worse at it. | | |
| ▲ | privong 26 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Analogously, there's evidence that companies will make extensive use of available techniques (browser fingerprinting, cookies, etc.) to track and surveil users without their knowledge and often against their will. The exposure of that arguably also hasn't triggered an effective backlash against those companies. So, as with the pre-Snowden evidence for domestic communication interception by the NSA, I think there's ample evidence of the willingness of companies to exploit whatever technologies they can in order to surveil users. |
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| ▲ | Arainach an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/28/23659191/amazon-sidewalk-... | | |
| ▲ | azernik an hour ago | parent [-] | | That is an article saying that mesh networking frameworks exist. It does not support the GP claim of smart TVs creating mesh networks across different owners. |
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| ▲ | tshaddox an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I’ve heard rumors of that, and also of TVs shipping with cellular modems with which to phone home. I don’t know if either have been confirmed, but it would be ridiculous for such a thing to be legal. |
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| ▲ | coldpie an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | It's a longstanding, and obviously false, rumor. It would be trivial to prove that these things connect to open wifi networks to phone home, but no one has ever proved that they do that, because they don't actually do that. It would be a little harder, but still very easy, to prove that they connect to cell networks, but no one has proved that they do that either, because they don't actually do that either. Keeping them disconnected from wifi is sufficient. | |
| ▲ | nickff an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Cellular modems seem unlikely, because both they and the service plan they'd need are too expensive to be justified by any benefit to the manufacturer. | | |
| ▲ | TheJCDenton 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Not so far fetched when your advertising revenue is in the tens of millions of dollars. They just need this revenue by tv to be higher than the price of the mobile plan per tv. For a few Gb per month it may be relevant in the not so distant future. | |
| ▲ | AlexandrB 14 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes. Considering 90%+ of users will just connect their TV to their WiFi, shipping a cell modem with every TV to catch that last 10% seems like bad ROI. I could however see this happening in the future in response to regulation. For example some "think of the children" rule that makes TV makers responsible for blocking mature content. |
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| ▲ | semiquaver 29 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | It’s perfectly legal to put a cellular modem in a TV, but not without disclosing that to the FCC and on product labels. This and the mesh network thing for TVs are (currently) a conspiracy theory, which sucks because it muddies the waters in advance of it inevitably happening in reality. |
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| ▲ | nullfield 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| See: Amazon Sidewalk |
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| ▲ | Jonnax an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Which manufacturers and which TVs? Otherwise it's just some 10+ year old rumour |
