Remix.run Logo
sofixa 2 hours ago

KYC is necessary because you do not want for money laundering to be easy. Nor sanctions avoiding, nor terrorist sponsoring.

charlieyu1 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Why should our rights be restricted when law enforcement is impotent?

miohtama an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The criminal money and money laundering has been researched since 19th century. It has stayed at constant 2-5% of world GDP. However the cost of compliance has gone up exponentially.

Today banks use $250B/year on KYC checks. You could fix the world hunger and still have $50B leftover money with this amount.

rapatel0 an hour ago | parent [-]

It's not a fair comparison. Money laundering controls likely have also been implemented since the 19th century in some way shape or form. Therefore, that 2-5% figure also includes the effect of those controls. This might just the natural equilibrium below which the juice is no longer worth the squeeze.

Access to information and interconnectedness have also increased exponentially so it might make sense that the costs have increased proportionately.

Finally 200B/year would not solve world hunger if nefarious actors grift away most of that money (especially because you wouldn't be able to track them with out some form of KYC)

mistrial9 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I just tried to pay my elderly neighbors cell phone bill here in California. I will spare you the details. Is all of this really required?

It reminds me of a time when credit and credit cards were flying fast. Large losses started appearing on consumer credit accounts by the tens of thousands. A casual look into it indicated that it was the employees and leaders of the sector, who read and understood the credit agreement that put liability ultimately on the company. The actual credit card employees, adjacent accountants, quick witted cons, all siphoning money from credit cards in very large numbers. Why say this? Actual customers with increasing security requirements were largely not at all involved with the growing fraud. It was the participants in the credit industry seizing the opportunity to steal, with relative impunity. Things have changed and changed again since then with scale, local rules, fraud detection systems etc.

The point of the rant is that ordinary people's rights are squeezed, privacy vanishes, routine humiliating document production and security, required because the people in the industry that created those is cheating.

Yes of course there is cheating on taxes over tip money, or no-show jobs for relatives.. but what kind of society is being built with constant oversight into ordinary people's activity ?

cash indeed

ratelimitsteve an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

when terrorism can be defined as "having a book" and can result in indefinite detention without charge or access to an attorney maybe i'm not 100% gung-ho by default on everything labelled anti-terrorism

MSFT_Edging 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49481385

zmgsabst 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In practice, KYC does little to stop any of that — but does do a lot to enable mass surveillance and oppression.

HighGoldstein 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> In practice, KYC does little to stop any of that

Source? The fact that it's not infallible doesn't mean that it's ineffective.

miohtama an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Here is a good book on the topic of ineffectiveness of anti-money laundering:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DVLLL1X3?lv=shuf&channelId=500&p...

Podcast if you do not want to buy the book:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2026-09-08/odd-lots-wh...

zmgsabst an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

They route through all kinds of intermediaries that handle the banking by proxy — eg, as we saw in the Panama Papers and similar leaks.

Reporting $600 in CashApp isn’t about stopping cartels, terrorists, etc; it’s about harassing sex workers and street dealers, profiling side businesses, etc.

newspaper1 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Who decides who we're sanctioning and who is a "terrorist"? Not me, that's for sure! My money is my business and I don't need the state nanny watching who I send it to.

miohtama an hour ago | parent [-]

Southern Poverty Law Center decides:

> Government should require regular, mandatory reporting by technology service providers to document abuse of their systems including financial support of violence, harassment, and terrorism.This includes implementation of mandatory financial abuse reporting requirements for internet services operating in the United States, including social media services, infrastructure providers, banking institutions, cryptocurrency exchanges, crowdfunding sites, video streaming platforms, and the like.

> [These companies] should be required to investigate and report the details of harms and abuse of their service. There should be … penalties applied to services that refuse these tracking and reporting responsibilities.

https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/nonprofit-indicted-ba...