> my conclusion after dealing with them for many years is they will lie, cheat, and steal to get whatever they want

Honestly, it's not even that extreme in most cases. I think it's usually not malice, it's incompetence.

That's why I don't trust big companies with my data. Nothing to do with some CEO's evil plans, but more to do with the hundreds/thousands of mid-level "not my job" or "doing my best" workers who are actually in charge of handling my data.

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computably 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Nothing to do with some CEO's evil plans, but more to do with the hundreds/thousands of mid-level "not my job" or "doing my best" workers who are actually in charge of handling my data.

The CEO is responsible for what their company does. If a major breach can occur through the oversight or "incompetence" of one worker, the CEO has already failed, whether through negligence or malice.

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JoshTriplett an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I think it's usually not malice, it's incompetence.

Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice, and should be treated accordingly.

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andrepd 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Pardon my French but bull-fucking-shit! A CEO _should_ take responsibility for what their subordinates do. It's preposterous to simple throw up our arms and say "oh well, some employees were sloppy so we lost some 100 million user IDs and other sensitive information that we promised not to store but we lied. Oopsie, silly me, pardon my wee incompetence tee-hee". No no no NO NO!

At some level, and certainly at the level where you get paychecks of 10 million a year for the "huge responsibility you are bearing", then incompetence IS malice!

	▲	sbarre 7 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Uhh. I think you misread my comment pretty badly here. I am not making excuses for anyone. I am saying that it's less likely to be some evil machination that led to the misuse of my data and more likely to be negligence or incompetence. Both are inexcusable, but one is more common/likely than the other. You can certainly link them together and yes leaders should be held responsible no matter what, but from my perspective as the user who had his data leaked, it doesn't really matter how/why it happened, does it?
	▲	osullivj an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Everything you say should be true on any level playing field. Not in the British public sector where shambolic incompetence is the norm.