| ▲ | getnormality 6 hours ago | |
Strong resonance with the famous essay "The Rise of Worse is Better" [1], which contrasted the (better) "MIT/Stanford style of design" with the (worse) "New Jersey approach". MIT/Stanford: > Simplicity -- the design must be simple, both in implementation and interface. It is more important for the interface to be simple than the implementation. New Jersey: > Simplicity -- the design must be simple, both in implementation and interface. It is more important for the implementation to be simple than the interface. Simplicity is the most important consideration in a design. TFA maps "simplicity" to "MIT/Stanford simplicity" (simplicity for the user) and "smallness" to "New Jersey simplicity" (simplicity for the developer). I wonder if the root of the tension between the two schools comes down to the ambiguity of the user/developer distinction. Developers are also users. Simplicity of implementation is helpful to developers when they are working directly on implementation, while simplicity of interface is helpful to developers when they are using other developers' work. | ||
| ▲ | ux266478 3 hours ago | parent [-] | |
I think you're right on that point of contention, it's too far to assert a universal and clear good/bad dynamic here because that line between developer/user is contextual and fuzzy. Another interesting irony I'll note, Lisp is the "New Jersey approach" towards symbolic AI. Americans clinging to their Lisp systems were deeply entrenched in a "worse-is-better" mindset. Your interface, the computational model, didn't need to be designed for logic programming, that was wholly secondary. Do everything as much as possible in Lisp, and then offload the relational description to a small (not simple) library. American knowledge engineers were looked at as overpaid procedural hackers with zero mathematical elegance and very little credibility. More or less the same perception these self-same Lisp-machine users had for Unix and C programmers. It's all about perspective, at the end of the day. Where we draw the line in the sand on these categories is free-to-choose, yet it also determines everything. We're always someone else's villain under different semantics. | ||