| ▲ | FinnLobsien an hour ago |
| I think the „my brain isn’t the same anymore“ sensation is pretty universal. Between addictive online media in our personal lives and AI at work, I think we’ve made mental effort largely optional. That must be a horrible thing. One of my favorite theories is the physical activity transition. In my grandparents‘ generation, physical movement became more optional as work shifted from manual labor to knowledge work or operating machines and transportation became motorized. Exercise was an ambient byproduct of daily life. Then it disappeared (exercise as a hobby was viewed as extremely weird, runners used to be arrested!) and a few decades later heart disease, diabetes, and so on became deadly epidemics. We now know exercise is not optional for health. And we’ve reintroduced it via gyms, clubs, etc. But that took decades. And I believe we’re now in the Mental Activity Transition. We’ve stripped away ambient mental effort so we practice it much less. I don’t know what the decades-long consequences of that may be, but they can’t be good. I hope it won’t take decades for societies to rediscover its value and figure out how to reintroduce it. |
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| ▲ | boudin 29 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| I have another suggestion which doesn't contradict yours. When I was younger I used to get bored way more often. I had to wait regularly during a week (e.g. for a bus, friend, appointment) or even at work as a software dev (e.g. compilation which used to take more time).
This was also the case when doing some physical activities which didn't require lot of thoughts. Back then, before mobile phones with internet access, you were either reading something or alone with your thoughts in those situations. This was when I had time to think back at things that happened, processing the information I had, refining ideas etc. Nowdays those are often situations where we ingest more information like listening to podcast, reading stuff on the phone, etc... or situations that just doesn't exists anymore having optimised our work to remove those waiting points. I personally find myself with clearer thoughts when I break those habits and give my brain some time to be bored again. I do think there is "lack of boreness" epidemic leaving people with way more raw thoughts and way less time to process and challenge information, leading to some form of exhaustion and lack of clarity. |
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| ▲ | 0xcde4c3db 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I doubt that's the only factor, but I agree that it's almost certainly a factor. The modern "tech" industry has filled our waking hours with unceasing demands to do something. Buy this product, watch this video, listen to this podcast, react to this social media post; even "practice self-care" has somehow turned into an obligatory virtue-cultivating task. We obviously had advertising before, but this is a different beast, something akin to living in a casino. As Bo Burnham put it, "apathy's a tragedy and boredom is a crime". | |
| ▲ | XorNot 16 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | That seems less likely then people being tired and stressed from the costs of living and the increased economic instability. We have smartphones but we're perilously few missed pay cheques away from not having a house, with a capital class gleefully telling everyone how they'll all be unemployable very soon. |
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| ▲ | serf 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >I think the „my brain isn’t the same anymore“ sensation is pretty universal. I disagree with the premise that you're propping up with the exercise example; I disagree that humans are thinking less because of mechanisms available in society. if anything I think people are thinking more than they ever have, and that has triggered a lot of people into overthinking themselves into a quagmire of inaction , judgement, and group-think. |
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| ▲ | FinnLobsien 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Yeah I think this is also true. Maybe "thinking less" is the wrong framing. Whether it's an excess or a deficiency of thinking, there's definitely a lack of straining cognitive activity. It might be reading books, pondering deep ideas, painting a landscape, doing software engineering, or solving crossword puzzles. But all of those are happening much less due (in my opinion) to the factors I described. | |
| ▲ | throwaway1183 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I agree with this. We can think of anything and nothing can prevent that at all. I have to go therapy to be told, it's okay to not think 24/7. | |
| ▲ | uneoneuno 24 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Brain-maxxing. I’m dabbling with retard-maxxing. Stop thinking | | |
| ▲ | lwood42 19 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I detest the fact that that slur has reentered acceptable common parlance. |
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| ▲ | mceachen 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The neurologists and neurotherapists for a family member who is a stroke survivor have been pretty consistent in saying that cardiovascular exercise and regular social engagement seem to be the most promising activities to stem cognitive decline. |
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| ▲ | FinnLobsien 22 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Yes, I think both things can be true. And also, we haven't had decades of mental activity being mostly optional, so we're not yet seeing the consequences nor science of long-term impact. In the 1950s, many doctors were convinced that exercise was actively harmful and running was dangerous. |
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| ▲ | coldtea 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >I think the „my brain isn’t the same anymore“ sensation is pretty universal. One would hope so, but there are countless people that believe this can't ever be the case, and it's just lack of personal motivation that's the problem. |
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| ▲ | FinnLobsien 7 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Yes, this is a big issue. I really think these things are basically like cigarettes used to be when they were ubiquitous. I'd have a hard time blaming someone in the 1930s for being addicted to cigarettes. Everyone constantly smoked everywhere and their harm was rumored, but not proven. Try to quit smoking in that environment: the thing you're trying to get away from is inescapable and it's not even clear why you should quit. They might blame themselves for not being motivated enough. We're in that exact environment for the things I describe above. |
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| ▲ | friendly_chap an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I have bad news for you: for the majority of the population mental effort was always a foreign concept. That's exactly what got us in this mess in the first place. |
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| ▲ | FinnLobsien 28 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't think that's true. Even if you think about what was considered junk entertainment decades ago, they still required much more cognitive effort. Reading about a celebrity breakup in a gossip magazine requires more cognitive effort than hearing about the same breakup in a gossip TikTok: -You consumed the thing for minutes at a time vs. seconds at a time and your brain had to actively decipher something, not just passively perceive. -You had to read and couldn't do it while also doing something else, which meant you were more focused. -You couldn't swipe in a split-second and have another equally stimulating thing that might be completely different, which meant you were more intentional about your mental context. The medium in which we consume something absolutely matters, independent of what we decide to consume. | |
| ▲ | DanielVZ 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not sure if always but probably there's a rise of anti-intellectualism in general since I'd say the 2000s. I remember being amazed by how intelligent adults were when I was little. Always doing cross-words, sudoku, reading books, discussing the classics, etc. But now those same adults don't read anything anymore, and just spend their time watching netflix on bed. The same adults that used to correct my vocabulary, grammar and ortography, somehow forgot the meaning of slightly obscure words and don't remember if a certain word was written with an "s" or "c" for example. | | |
| ▲ | underlipton 11 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I think the anti-intellectualism crisis gets mischaracterized. Common rejection of experts, academia, and empirical findings is certainly a part of it, but I tend to see more of an issue with targeted, self-serving ignorance, particularly among the elite. You have extremely intelligent and influential people balking at, say, the undeniable net benefits of universal healthcare, renewable energy investment, and cash payment UBI. Worse, they use their intelligence to attack interventions that run against their preconceived notions. Milton Friedman was not an idiot, and yet he and his acolytes did (and do) untold damage in anti-intellectual perpetuation of their outmoded ideas. The common thread between that and skipping conversation for Netflix is disengagement with cognitive load that doesn't immediately benefit you. They both suck, but I think that one hurts more, and hurts more. |
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| ▲ | thor-rodrigues an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I mean, I’d argue that the overwhelming majority of the populous is not doing physical activity as they should. Even in a future with gym “for the mind”, I also assume attendance to be low. |
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