Haha it’s just a foolish move made by those from the ‘90s. We all internalized a different lesson. The younger generations have learned to brush it off and stop responding. Even if the person is human, when you fail to move toward Aumann Agreement, there is no point in persisting.

Us older ones are still fighting the last war. If only we explain it properly, maybe the bots will understand!

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dwedge 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> If only we explain it properly, maybe the bots will understand!

I'm going to be thinking about this perfect summary of my frustration of the last 20 years all day

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blauditore 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Arguing on the internet is not about convincing the other side. It's about winning the majority opinion and getting more votes. Almost like politics.

	▲	neuroticnews25 4 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Obvioulsy not true for all the arguments, only a subset of those not worth having.

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skrebbel 37 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I googled Aumann Agreement and it’s all about agreeing about whether things are true/false/likely/unlikely.

I don’t understand your point at all in this context. What’s “Aumann Agreement” in the context of a discussion about values?

	▲	arjie 10 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Haha, it’s figurative and requires squinting. “rational actors with common axioms will reach shared conclusions through repeated exchange of information”. So if you’re not reaching a shared conclusion then you’re not exchanging information, you don’t have shared axioms, or one of you isn’t rational. If it didn’t land with you, it was just a poor choice of phrase and while I care to attempt to explain it, I don’t care to attempt to defend it. Values are not different from other positions that people might hold. I believe values and principles are just lossy compressions of positions about specifics because we cannot express them all. When you poke at the edges you find they are fractal. So “what’s your estimate for random variable X?” And “are open borders good?” Are not really different questions so much as questions about different levels of specificity. My incomplete self-note about this here https://wiki.roshangeorge.dev/w/Principles_Are_Compressed_Im...
	▲	bratbag 25 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		The outcomes those values achieve.