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| ▲ | charlieyu1 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Does anyone actually think Kamala would win? This is probably the most lopsided win for a while. | | |
| ▲ | BLKNSLVR 10 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I thought Kamala would win. I guess I overestimated the discipline of the US population, or underestimated the intellectual laziness. But I guess that's what happens when you think you've been on top for long enough. |
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| ▲ | k12sosse 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | But don't worry, now you can't get fooled again. | |
| ▲ | dismalaf 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > re-election is the real surprise for me It's interesting that it's a surprise to you, that such information bubbles exist. A great sage named Bill Clinton once said, "It's the economy, stupid!". And economic performance of the US though Trump's first term was pretty good. Crushes most of the OECD and certainly all of the large OECD countries. Plus of course Biden/Kamala ran a terrible second campaign, with the whole covering up the fact Biden is senile thing... | | |
| ▲ | watwut 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | But it is not the economy. Economy is an excuse, a cover. It is appeal of the feelings those ideas generate. | |
| ▲ | PorciiVorbesc 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >And economic performance of the US though Trump's first term was pretty good. Depends on your definition of "the economy". The Trump administration, like many before it and much of HN, defines "the economy" as only being the performance of the asset and stock appreciation for the existing assset holders("forget the Epstein files, the DOW is over 50,000" - Pam Bondi). While most working class people, like me and many others, define "the economy" as being how much month they have left at the end of their paycheck, after they paid for rent, bills and groceries, if they even have a job anymore and haven't been part of some mass layoff and are applying for jobs and getting rejected. For those people, "the economy" is very much NOT GOOD right now. "The economy" amazing if you own tonnes of F500 stocks and real estate though. Not if otherwise. | | |
| ▲ | dismalaf 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Here's a chart to visualize: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?location... My definition of the economy is the actual definition lol. | | |
| ▲ | ozlikethewizard 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | GDP per capita is not an effective measure of the economic quality of the average person though. If growth is centralised in the hands of the few, then sure per capita goes up but most peoples access to increased wealth does not. Look at something like HDI instead, US actually down over the past ~decade: https://hdr.undp.org/data-center/human-development-index#/in... | | |
| ▲ | dismalaf an hour ago | parent [-] | | The "standard of living" component of HDI is literally GNI per capita PPP (basically the same thing as GDP per capita, with a few minor adjustments). The other components are just life expectancy and educational attainment. The educational attainment one is interesting, all the countries at the top have free post-secondary... Does a PhD do more for the nation than an entrepreneur who creates a unicorn and hires 10k engineers? Also life expectancy is a lagging indicator... | | |
| ▲ | PorciiVorbesc 41 minutes ago | parent [-] | | >Does a PhD do more for the nation than an entrepreneur who creates a unicorn and hires 10k engineers? As someone from an EU country with an oversupply of PhDs say, definitely not. |
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| ▲ | PorciiVorbesc 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Whose "actual definition" is that? Which authority established the the "actual definition" is in the name of all of us? At the end of the day, definitions are irrelevant, what matters is majority voter perception. GDP/capita don't matter if majority of voters perceive themselves as poor. And GDP/capita is a poor metric since it doesn't account for inequality differences of wealth accumulation. Like if your economy has a few ultra wealthy Elon Musks, Jeff Bezos, Larry Elissons, Jenson Huangs and and tens of thousands of broke homeless people, then the average GPD per capita is more than fine. My and many other peoples' definition, is how many people can find decent paying jobs right now, and how much they can afford after paying rent and bills. They don't care about the stock market, as that's just the playground of the top 10% of asset holders(including HN), not of the majority working class. |
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| ▲ | jghn 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Given the GOP doesn't even bother covering up the Trump is senile thing, perhaps the Dems could have tried the same tactic. |
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