Yeah, but there are degrees. I’d rather have a conversation about trans rights here in Oslo than in Afghanistan.

How do you think LGBTQI+ rights came exist? It was not a pretty, blood-free, submissive process. And we're still far from LGBTQI+ rights being normalized.

How about workers rights? Slavery? Any progress that you'd think of as civilizing was not achieved without blood.

	▲	dvdkon an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I don't remember any LGBTQI+ wars here in the Czech Republic, so "blood free" actually seems like a good characterisation. Sometimes the system just works. See also the Velvet Revolution for a pretty large shift away from totalitarianism without any deaths.
	▲	goosejuice an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Indeed. Must also acknowledge that such tactics generate the seeds of opposition. i.e. hate begets hate and violence begets violence.