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xyzelement 4 hours ago

Does it mean that?

Europe has had a space agency for a while now. So this story isn't "Europeans finally started to launch for space" but a private European company chose to launch from a continental location.

It's funny how we can't be celebrate a European achievement without trying to interpret it into relationship to the US.

postingawayonhn 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, they've had a space agency, but the only launchers are expensive legacy vehicles.

This launch is a move towards lower cost and more frequent launches, that in the US are provided by SpaceX.

nine_k 3 hours ago | parent [-]

It's not even the US in general, it's SpaceX specifically. Only the US and China have demonstrated reusable rockets, and only SpaceX demonstrated the actual reuse, the cadence and the economy of scale that it brings.

toomuchtodo 26 minutes ago | parent [-]

It means the laws of physics allow it, and anyone willing to invest the time and fiat to accomplish it can. This means the world will no longer need to rely on SpaceX for inexpensive lift to orbit through reusable first stages, which is objectively good. No different then China working towards obviating the need for ASML for EUV semiconductor manufacturing.

anonymars 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Have there been other rocket launches from continental Europe?

cccbbbaaa 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

From a sovereignty perspective, does a launch from continental Europe actually matter when Arianespace/CNES/ESA has been launching from France for decades?

Cyph0n an hour ago | parent | next [-]

But French Guiana is a geographically distant ex-colony, so there will always be a higher probability of future inaccessibility. Same applies to New Caledonia, Martinique, etc.

orphereus 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Doesn't it matter if this part of France is an ocean away?

cccbbbaaa 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I do not think so, but anyway, it is definitely not a proof that we are further decoupling ourselves from the US, which is the claim made in the root comment. France has launched rockets from France for decades. Being an ocean away does not make Kourou reliant on the US.

vik0 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There is no sovereignty perspective because Europe isn't even sovereign to begin with. For starters it doesn't even have a common army

gpm 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The sovereignty perspective here is the perspective of the sovereignty of the states that make up Europe not the sovereignty of the entity of the EU/Europe.

Though not every sovereign state has an army, see Iceland, Costa Rica, theoretically Japan, etc.

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AshleyGrant 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Orbital? Maybe not. Sub-orbital and ballistic? Absolutely.

anonymars 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Oh yes, I think everyone remembers Germany's ballistic rockets

"Don't say that he's hypocritical,

Say rather that he's apolitical.

'Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down?

That's not my department,' says Wernher von Braun."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjDEsGZLbio

globalnode 3 hours ago | parent [-]

hehe, yes but if it wasnt for german rocket scientists the americans and russians would not have had space agencies (at least not that early)

m4rtink 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Well, there was Goddard, Korolev & quite a few others. But it could indeed have taken longer if the military implications were not clearly demonstrated by Von Braun.

Still, an interesting possibility of a fully civilian space program from the start & how it would look like & how it would be different.

Kinda like in Wings of Honneamise.

dotancohen an hour ago | parent [-]

Not only the military aspect. His staff literally were absorbed into the Russian sand US space programs. Von Braun himself famously designed the Saturn V.

kibwen 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Does it mean that?

When the US government funded SpaceX, it was motivated in no small degree by a desire to not be permanently reliant on a geopolitical wildcard (Russia) for getting astronauts into orbit. Now that the US itself has become a geopolitical wildcard, savvy countries know that they need to seek out alternatives to SpaceX under more stable regimes.

aaron695 an hour ago | parent [-]

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petcat 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It's funny how we can't be celebrate a European achievement without trying to interpret it into relationship to the US.

It's because Europe is absolutely obsessed with the United States and obsessed with Americans.

noir_lord 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah, in the same way that as a home owner I’d be “obsessed” with my neighbour if he was showing a predilection towards arson.

I’d love to be able to go a day without having to see whatever the latest stupidity we’ll have to deal with the fallout from is, I really would.

petcat 4 hours ago | parent [-]

This obsession started decades ago. Long before any recent politics. It's only gotten deeper and more intense recently.

smcin an hour ago | parent | next [-]

In what ways are you saying "Europe is absolutely obsessed with the US": politics, tech, capital markets, defense, economics, culture, cultural trends, unpredictability, something else? And how is that "obsessed" rather than "paying attention to"? Without you giving any specifics, can't tell if that is good-faith comment or trolling. For example US audiences are obsessed with Downton Abbey, or the Titanic, or the 15-minute city proposal, and Tarantino was obsessed with French names of McDonald's hamburgers, but noone built a broader claim on top of those.

What specific event and year were IYO the onset of what you're claiming?

kspacewalk2 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In fact, until Trump 2 they rarely thought about you at all.

noir_lord 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You folks over the pond really do think we think about you that much don’t you, prior to Trump I didn’t give much of a shit what the US did (except when you were destabilising the Middle East but I guess everyone needs a hobby), was literally none of my business and I didn’t have to live there (fortunately).

Now we have to pay attention because what you always where in part is in full control and it’s essentially impossible to ignore.

I long for the days when we can go back to the happy place of ignoring your government day to day until it’s time for another Middle East intervention.

Til then and for the avoidance of any doubt, I loathe Trump, I don’t like the people in his government, I don’t like the people who voted for him and the ones who didn’t vote and could have, the only people in America I have any sympathy for is the ones who voted for anyone but him/this shit show, the rest of you got what you deserved and will continue to do so.

So with that as your president if you still believe in American Exceptionalism you can shove it.

Hope that was clear enough.

rootusrootus 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> You folks over the pond really do think we think about you that much don’t you

Yes? You talk about us waaaaay more than we talk about you. And not just since Trump.

abenga 43 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

You talk about it as if it's little cliques of students talking about each other in a cafeteria. It's not. It's a giant economy with a giant military that affects everyone's wellbeing.

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ulfw 28 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Hackernews is slowly turning into the same primitive social networking shit as X, Threads, insta, Linkedin. Time to get off of it I suppose

lostlogin 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> It's funny how we can't be celebrate a European achievement without trying to interpret it into relationship to the US.

It really isn’t funny. The US shat the bed and for now the repercussions are mainly being felt outside the US. When the US realises what it’s lost it’s going to be too late.

zzzeek 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Oh we (the non idiots here) know full well what we lost. If Europe has a larger and more substantial science / technology community, that will just mean more trips/job offers in EU for me, so go Europe !

mag7269 2 hours ago | parent [-]

As an American, I welcome a multi-polar world where Europe pulls its weight when it comes to science, technology and engineering! More so in geopolitical matters. It’s always been very draining for one empire or nation to maintain world peace. The 19th century was Pax Britannica, the 20th, after WW2, was Pax Americana, we can now hope that Pax AmEuropana can offer a counter to the crazy rapid growth of Asia and also find common ground with those nations.

anonymars 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

What rewards do you think the US is going to gain from this path it has begun to travel? Do you think it was all some noble charity case?

The UK is likely to be an illustrative example, so it's apt you mentioned it