The productivity gains would need to be shared by all to get that world, not owned by a couple for-profit entities.

Because (a) that vision of utopia is not party of any "self-proclaimed communist" philosophy that I've ever heard of, and (b) no one believes that's what's going to happen.

Instead the evidence of our own eyes tells us that AI seems to be worsening the K-shaped economy: a handful of Elon Musks will become trillionaires, a slightly larger number of engineers will become billionaires, and the rest of us will have fewer jobs and fewer prospects of upward mobility in a world where AI can do most entry-level work.

Can you please provide us the details how much water an open-air, evaporative cooling system loses due to evaporation and other system-wide losses?

Also can you tell us which chemicals need to be added to the outer and inner loops of the systems, and do the inner loop has the same losses or it is different.

If there's water loss into the ground, and if the water is treated with chemicals, is it required or is it in fact treated to remove these chemicals so the used water can be reused for livestock, agriculture, or non-consumable use in the cities like for watering greenery or other processes which needs water but can accept non-potable variety.

I also heard that there's a closed loop version for outer loop. Is it used widely in US, if yes, what percentage of the large datacenters use it? Because as I heard it, it's more expensive, but doesn't lose water as much.

Adding some references if possible is greatly appreciated so we can dive deeper, as the community.

Same is also valid for power usage metrics. I'm especially interested in how a datacenter full of 800VDC systems (aka Megawatt Rack) can be fed without any difficulty with our current power generation and transfer infra.

> water ... usage are the less problematic parts

Except when some rich clown from another country comes into a drought-stressed desert area where residents have already been under increasingly draconic water usage restrictions for goin' on a decade now, wantin' to build a datacenter right on a lake that's already under severe stress with record low water levels, tellin' everyone it won't have any effect on anything and it's all just rainbows and sunshine and nothin' but benefits for everyone all around (lies). But yeah, no worries. We can surely trust the billionaire wouldn't lie to us to enrich himself at our expense.

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Interesting. What ways? Suppose I wanted to call the governor and say “I have an answer to how to regulate these that solves the noise problem” what would we be asking for?

So, this all means when you said:

> I've built AI data centers, and I keep trying to educate them, but they just won't listen.

The only real quibble with their lack of knowledge about AI data centers is that they don't understand the water use issue.

We could see that as a minor detail of an overall bigger picture: those left-leaning[1] non-tech friends understand the issue well enough to get by: AI data centers are being fast-tracked, allowed to run loud/nuisance sound profile gas turbines, aren't being powered by clean/renewable energy, are objectively raising energy pricing in many states, and are often built near residential areas with video-documented sound level meter readings showing instances of data centers having violating sound ordinances.

[1] Although they don't really have to be left-leaning since there is relatively strong opposition in from any political angle you choose: https://news.gallup.com/poll/709772/americans-oppose-data-ce...

I genuinely do not understand what happened here.

Like.. you came in invalidating the people, then, when called out, you say what is effectively "well their criticism is actually right".

And.. That's that. I guess. Are you sure that you're taking part in the conversation and not just stringing words together based on probabilities?

They had an article about Australia embracing AI data centers to be suppliers of the future and not just customers and one big pull is "the vast amounts of land in Australia" then said that one of them is being built within 100m of the nearest suburban house and 200m of a school.

It seems with all the other battles to fight, that moving it 2km down the road and surrounding it with trees and parkland would knock the noise argument out of the window. At least in the US and Australia that really do have vast amounts of open space.

> Those people need to get their local government to regulate noise from all buildings

I think this is the core of the 'moral panic'. it isn't anti-AI, it's the fact that many AI datacenter builders have been somewhere between surreptitious and intentionally illegal in their avoidance public knowledge of what they are doing, most likely to avoid exactly the regulation you're recommending. As a result, there's now categorical public distrust of both the industry and the local government that has shirked their obligation to the public welfare.

It is reasonable to conclude that you don't act as secretively as these builders have unless you have something to hide.

You might just need to change how you say it. These people have a lot of legitimate frustrations. Show them you are on the same side as them and understand where they are coming from. Don't get hung up on minor technicalities. When people are upset, they really don't want a lecture or pedantry.

Talking to just a few people or one person at a time can help a lot, also.

But I hear you. It sucks trying to be helpful and then getting it shoved in your face.

Welp.