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someothherguyy 5 hours ago

cheater detection and self-correction is important in systems. i am not sure "fucked-up" is a meaningful way to look at species-level things.

tux3 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Even looking only at different cultures, saying nothing of nature, the degree to which people are willing to cooperate or defect against the group varies widely. The level of trust varies widely.

People aren't motivated solely by the risk of being caught. Some people tell themselves that everyone else must be trying to cheat, so it's okay for them to cheat. But this type of thinking isn't a law of nature, it's just a human flaw.

The amount of cheating is not a fundamental constant. Given that people are social animals and that we tend to be stronger as a group, in fact you'd expect that prosocial behavior is good for the species. If fucked up is to mean anything, poisoning the environment with forever chemicals ought to make the fucking cut, if you'll pardon my French.

Sharlin 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, and our cheater detection is entirely broken, given that we prefer to give power to cheaters, as long as the cheater is smart enough.

someothherguyy 5 hours ago | parent [-]

yeah, sometimes cheaters winning is a net benefit or at least acceptable. although, i don't think those cases above are, heh.

_puk 4 hours ago | parent [-]

It's just a bunch of grapes.

If there's more than enough grapes for everyone and one person takes more than their fair share, then, on the whole, it's fine. There's enough to go round.

If everyone tries to take more than their fair share, then the whole system falls apart.

When there are this many people, and this much visibility of the hustle, just seeing others prosper by cheating means a not insubstantial number of people will be in the "well I want grapes, and likely need to cheat to make sure I get my fair share" camp.