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0xDEAFBEAD an hour ago

>Before we trust you again, you must undergo what we Germans had to post-1945.

Literally just yesterday, Germany's public broadcaster released a 26-minute documentary. "The far right's rise: Is Germany at a breaking point?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOk01r2eoc0

The AfD, which became Germany's top-polling political party for the first time last year, is now the clear leader in polls. It may soon win an absolute majority in a German state election.

The far-right is also widely projected to win the 2027 French presidential election:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2027_F...

And Switzerland seriously considered immigration restrictions much harsher than anything contemplated by the US.

It's interesting to see how leftism changes as you cross the Atlantic. In the US it's usually baseless moral self-flagellation; in Europe it's usually baseless moral preening. In neither case do the facts seem to be particularly important.

"we gave you not just one chance to show you're better" is such a fascinating thing for you to say. For years our leaders told you to be less dependent on us. Now you're speaking as though your dependency on us was some kind of favor you were doing for us. It's mind-blowing how out-of-touch you guys can be.

KellyCriterion an hour ago | parent [-]

Please elaborate, whats so strict about Switzerlands restrictions? Why shouldnt a country be allowed to limit the people they want to have from immigration?

(Exercise for you: Try to get a passport from Liechtenstein, even if you work there permanently for a Liechtenstein company, its unlikely that you can even rent an appartment there!)

0xDEAFBEAD an hour ago | parent [-]

>Please elaborate, whats so strict about Switzerlands restrictions? Why shouldnt a country be allowed to limit the people they want to have from immigration?

Precisely. Why is it that people only clutch their pearls with horror when this principle is applied to the US?

jjav 44 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I suspect because we don't regularly hear of masked armed thugs in Switzerland beating up, sometimes killing or throwing into concentration camps innocent people who were looking to immigrate.

Nothing wrong with making immigration laws strict, if that's what a country wants. That is totall fine.

But there is no justification to beat people up, kill them or throw them into concentration camps. Just tell them no in a professional manner and politely send them back to their own country (also, not some random contry they haver never been in).

nikanj 19 minutes ago | parent [-]

ICE has killed US citizens too, they don’t limit themselves to immigrants

exe34 34 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

How many Swiss citizens have they detained in concentration camps and deported to places they've never been and have no connections?