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oleg_antonyan 2 hours ago

Russia had assets in Europe, look what happened to those. We got so naive and relaxed in the abscense of big wars within the "western hemisphere" that some people geniunly forgot what will happen to all of their "assets" when shit hit the fan.

baxtr 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I really wonder why. Something must have happened

mdp2021 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Not relevant to the point - "I gave my item to my former friend Paul". For some reason or for some other, it happens.

And miscalculations in game theory happen ("he wouldn't, given...").

speedgoose 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I put my gold in the safe of my best friend, he has a good safe. Then I rapped and killed his wife and children, and destroyed his house. But he doesn’t want to give me the gold back.

mdp2021 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You are doing the complexity of history, and the due diligence of objective assessment and focus, a great disservice with those gross similes.

Let us stick to a fitting analysis for the point of the limited trust entities can give each other, and let us stick to actual events for what the crimes committed are concerned (for the respect due).

momocowcow 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

ok, but russia and the west were never best friends, just some russians have major crushes on western europe and would still trust the europeans to hold their gold more than their own russian compatriots :))

baxtr an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Miscalculation is the right word.

And: it is relevant. You gave away the relevancy yourself. It is called game theory. Games have rules. Break rules see what happens. Or instead be prepared.

Seems like someone broke rules but wasn't thinking through consequences or didn't care about them

brainwad 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The something was the collapse of the USSR, right? "The end of history" etc.

oleg_antonyan 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Case in point: a naive belief in "high moral". Bad guy (Ru) attacks good guy - bad, punish, cancel. When good guy (US) attacks bad guy - that's different, whataboutism etc. Such POV falls apart when good guy (US) attacks another good guy (EU), and while you may chose to ignore such possibility, European leaders don't (a rare case of competence on their side).

baxtr an hour ago | parent [-]

I don't think it has anything to do with morality.

It is just leverage.

alibarber an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

The assets are still there and frozen for the most part (in Euroclear).

Some people would like to see them put to use in guaranteeing reconstruction and defence for Ukraine.