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ajkjk 4 hours ago

we really do not want to engineer a system in which using bugs to make money is considered economically legitimate activity. It is still crime. The main reason to report bugs and get the bounties for doing so is still because it makes the world safer and healthier. The money is there to make is to incentivize the work of finding and reporting them -- not to outbid the bad actors.

Alive-in-2025 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Companies sometimes reward their employees with important bug fixes. When I worked on a big dev team, we'd even decide what were the most important fixes and give people a special 5k bonus or something.

But they weren't security issues necessarily. I never thought about it, fixing a huge performance issue is big. A security fix that gets caught early makes no noise so you just don't know how important it would have been. We also once had a really terrible bug that lead to lots of customers getting effectively attacked.

codedokode 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Crime" is very flexible term. One country's criminal is another country hero. Maybe the author would sell the vulnerability to an organization making exploits for government use.

"Safety" is also a relative thing, when the world is safer for one party, it is usually worse for another.

kube-system 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> we really do not want to engineer a system in which using bugs to make money is considered economically legitimate activity. It is still crime.

"Making money from bugs" is not solely a black-market activity. There are plenty of grey and even white hat activities in this market.

jewsdienow 3 hours ago | parent [-]

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bothers 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The main reason to report bugs and get the bounties for doing so is still because it makes the world safer and healthier.

Yeah let's see how this plays out, paying people less than their time is worth for RCEs.

flutas 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Finding bugs is hardly a crime, selling them even isn't.

Now exploiting them? Yes that's a crime.

0xbadcafebee 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> using bugs to make money

Aka security research.

It's one thing to hold something for ransom ("give me $5M or I release the 0day"). It's another to sell a valuable piece of information ("give me $5M if you want the 0day"). As long as you're only offering the bug to the company who would be impacted by its release, there's nothing unethical about asking for payment.

Maybe you think that, ethically, all bugs should be reported, regardless of payment, because it prevents harm. Well a lot of things prevent harm that we don't all take it upon ourselves to do voluntarily. Should everyone do all safety-related work for free? If we don't want to do it for free, should we not do safety work at all?

If the company really wanted it safe, and they can't make it safe themselves, they can pay someone else to make it safe. If they aren't willing to do that, then nobody is obligated to do free work for them, because we don't require anyone else to do safety-critical work for free. Let's not forget, this isn't a scrappy startup struggling for a seed round, this is one of the world's largest corporations with billions of dollars in cash. If they want your labor, make them pay for it.

avazhi an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> using bugs to make money [is a crime]

No it’s not lol