| ▲ | autoexec 6 hours ago |
| Corruption in the US isn't new, but it's never been done as openly as it has been recently. I don't think it's a good thing. It shows that the government isn't concerned about what the public thinks, which suggests that they believe they no longer have to be. That's not a healthy sign for what's supposed to be a democracy. |
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| ▲ | hakunin 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Saying “US corruption isn’t new” is a truism. There are probably isolated incidents, and many unproven theories, but everyone is quick to agree with this statement because it’s a common feeling everyone has now for some reason. The reality of corruption is likely much smaller and more boring than people think. What we’re witnessing now is what should be called corruption. That corruption that everyone has been screaming for years. But finally real. Remember, the job of these people’s propaganda is not to say that they’re better than the other side. It’s to say that they’re all the same. That’s it. And when you claim that this corruption is just a continuation of previous corruption, just bigger, and not a difference between essentially not having and having corruption (there’s always some small percentage of corruption, just like any crime) is essentially sweeping for them. It’s repeating their talking points. |
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| ▲ | DarmokTanagra 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | [dead] | |
| ▲ | colordrops an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | You haven't been paying attention and digging into unfiltered sources if you think significant corruption is a new thing in the US. | | |
| ▲ | hatsix an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | You haven't read his comment if you think that's what he said | |
| ▲ | dd8601fn an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | It’s so, so much worse now. Like everyone here said, they just don’t even care about being “caught”. Not ten years ago most of this stuff would likely end a career or land you in prison. Now it’s just, “So what? Nobody can do anything.” It’s not better that the corruption is blatant. They’re rubbing our faces in it, and not the least bit concerned about consequences. The message is clear… there aren’t any, anymore. And the most insulting was how they telegraphed it all. Accuse people of things they clearly didn’t do… and then actually do all those things. | | |
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| ▲ | yongjik 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think it's worse. It's not that the government doesn't care that the public hates it; it's more like the government is doing whatever it wants and half the public is going wild absolutely loving it. Well, maybe a bit less than half these days. |
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| ▲ | 2OEH8eoCRo0 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's more like a third. > 35% approve, 61% disapprove, 5% not sure https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker | | |
| ▲ | scrubs 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That 35% will change their tune if it screws their stuff up. Trump et al is great in the large unless he's your business partner or boss screwing your money and life up, hitting on your wife or daughter, owes you money etc. Cheap symbolism is appealing in a fog only, not in your face. | | |
| ▲ | tstrimple 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think you’re underestimating the true believers. Plenty of conservatives are willing to suffer if they think it makes others suffer more. See Dying of Whiteness. |
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| ▲ | kolanos 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > The national favorability rating for the Democratic Party sits around 39% to 41% favorable, with unfavorable ratings ranging from 48% to 54% across recent mid-2026 polls. [0] And Congress as a whole... > The approval rating for the U.S. Congress stands at 10%, while disapproval has climbed to 86%, according to data from Gallup. [1] So not sure what this is really telling us? [0]: https://fiftyplusone.news/polls/favorability/democratic-part...
[1]: https://news.gallup.com/poll/708722/disapproval-congress-tie... | | |
| ▲ | matthewdgreen 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | People hate Congress but love their Congressperson. It's even got a name: Fenno's paradox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenno%27s_paradox Diffuse organizations like "Congress" or "the party" aren't what you're voting for. Unfortunately Congress really does take it on the chin for the actions of the President in midterms, because that's very recognizable and personalized, and partisan votes (or just staying home) are the only lever people have to express displeasure. | | |
| ▲ | vjvjvjvjghv 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | "People hate Congress but love their Congressperson. " I honestly think most Congress people want to do good for the country. But the system has become totally dysfunctional making it basically impossible to really work on issues. The influence of money is just too much. To me this goes hand in hand with the rising inequality that gives a few people at the top outsized influence. Super PACs don't even have to deploy their money anymore. The simple threat is already enough to bring most Congress people in line if they want to keep their job. | | |
| ▲ | roenxi 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > I honestly think most Congress people want to do good for the country. That seems wildly unlikely. Wouldn't there be evidence for it by now? Over the last decades there have been scant murmurs of the US congress sitting down and taking a serious look at what might be good for a country. I'm happy to say that the root cause is a voting public in the US (everywhere, really) rewarding unprincipled liars and punishing principled politicians. But the outcome is that the US Congress is full of unprincipled liars who have little regard for the good of the country, because that would be a principle that gets in the way of political expediency. The system isn't some abstract concept foisted upon them from on high. They control it. There are some very high-level constraints on them that are all-weather good ideas and apart from that it is a free-for-all. The reason the system is dysfunctional is because that suits the congresspeople. | | |
| ▲ | a34729t 22 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Most of the US airforce is executive transport. Clearly you dont actually know people higher up in government. As someone who dated a very high up state legislator in my state said: She totally doesnt care cause she doesnt suffer the consequences. And at the congressional level it is again a level apart. Michal Crichton has a name for this, I think! |
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| ▲ | Panzer04 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | People don't feel like they are well-represented by either party. They may like some republican stances (say, reduced regulations and welfare spending), but despise others (Trump, wars, anti-renewable). Meanwhile they might like some democrat stances (Inclusivity, environment), but not others (high spending, rent controls, etc). So you're stuck between a rock and a hard place where there's no good way to express your desires. I can totally understand not wanting to vote in such an environment, and disliking the government no matter what. You can't get your specific views represented because everything has been collapsed into two broad camps that average out - and as lots of research shows, no one is truly average. |
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| ▲ | Loughla 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The half that supports this nonsense genuinely believes this level of corruption has always existed. They're just happy it's their team this time. I simply do not understand American politics. | | |
| ▲ | dimgl 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think this whole "that half" and "this half" thing makes it significantly harder to hold people in the government accountable. I know plenty of conservative people who think the corruption in the government is out of control. | | |
| ▲ | atmavatar an hour ago | parent [-] | | Do they act on their beliefs or merely parrot them? I ask because I've known people who were shocked at what took place 2021-01-06 but who proudly voted to re-elect Trump. Today isn't much different: talk to a conservative voter who complains about the tariffs, Iran war, etc. and ask them whether it would be enough for them to vote Democrat, and the answer is near universally no. Lots of people have performative outrage because they're supposed to be outraged at what's going on, but the truth is that there's no line the Republican party can cross which would make them switch votes. Exceptions to this rule are still few and far between as far as I can gather. |
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| ▲ | esalman an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Well friend, the current political climate in America might be unprecedented, but is not unique. As someone who lived under a mix of military, monarchy, psudo-democratic and democratic governments for first 30 years of my life, I've seen this played out many times before. | |
| ▲ | rootusrootus 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > I simply do not understand American politics. You are in good company with most Americans in that regard. It seems like the whole "we just blame the other side for everything we want to do, and then use that as justification when we actually do it" strategy must be well orchestrated, but the voters themselves legitimately seem to believe it is actually how things work. I am darkly impressed at the skillful manipulation. | |
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| ▲ | CyberDildonics 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's not comprehensible without understanding that huge amounts of people are watching straight up lies and propaganda all day every day for their 'news'. | |
| ▲ | rapind 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If Trump tomorrow says communism is great, then every Fox news host, MAGA content creator, and MAGA bot would be extolling the virtues of communism. The republican house and senate would enable it, maybe with a small bribe here and there. There is no line. There is no integrity. It's just looting. | | |
| ▲ | Petersipoi 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | We're just going to ignore the open communists that are infiltrating the other party? You sound intellectually honest. | | |
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| ▲ | tstrimple 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Imagine there had been no Nuremberg trials. The Nazis just got a slap on the wrist and almost immediately let back into politics as usual. That's how we got here. We're still fighting the remnants of the confederacy. Germany and Japan in particular purged most of those elements from their society. Here we built statues to the evil fucks. | | |
| ▲ | 0xDEAFBEAD 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Here's a map which attempts to estimate when slavery was abolished across various parts of the world: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/zsnr8q/year_of_abo... The US wasn't much of an outlier. As a general rule, anyone who tries to use slavery as a skeleton key to understand US politics is most likely an ideologue with an agenda. Sane people don't propose struggle sessions for events which happened 100+ years ago when everyone involved is long dead. You wouldn't point to a gigantic statue of Genghis Khan to explain what's wrong with modern Mongolia. I don't think this is a slavery thing. Trump just sucks. | | |
| ▲ | TheOtherHobbes 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Some people believe they have a right to land based on claims from millennia ago. I suppose you could question their sanity, but the point stands - history has a short memory, and a few generations are nothing. Especially when the after-effects of slavery, including segregation, disenfranchisement through gerrymandering and for-profit imprisonment, and other forms of continuing violence, are still live issues today. | |
| ▲ | ModernMech 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Genghis Khan died 800 years ago. The last American to have born into slavery died in the ~1970s~ 1960s. | | |
| ▲ | 0xDEAFBEAD 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | The 1970s were 50 years ago. "Long dead", in other words. Did you know that Brazil didn't abolish until 1888? They also imported far more than the US: https://www.slavevoyages.org/static/uploads/01.jpg | | |
| ▲ | tw04 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | And does Brazil have their own 13th amendment that allows them to use prison labor as their modern slave workforce? | | |
| ▲ | 0xDEAFBEAD 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | "Around the world, at least eleven million people are imprisoned, either pre-trial or following conviction. Most sentenced prisoners will work while in custody... ... Most countries’ legal systems, however, carve out an exception for prisoner-workers, permitting the state to require them to work—sometimes for no pay, but typically for very low rates of pay. There are, even so, multiple potential benefits to prison work. For example, ICPR’s recent research indicated that prisoners who could not work (when prison regimes around the world were restricted during the COVID-19 pandemic) reported many negative consequences, including to their mental and physical wellbeing. At the minimum, work may mitigate some harmful impacts of imprisonment. At best, it may increase prisoners’ prospects of successful reintegration into society, potentially also benefitting society by reducing recidivism." https://www.prisonstudies.org/sites/default/files/publicatio... (emphasis mine) Here's a photo from a Brazilian prison from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_labour#/media/File:Inmat... | | |
| ▲ | tw04 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The question isn’t whether prisoners work in other countries which I’m confident you know and dodged. The question is whether the prisons in Brazil are private, and are allowed to sell prison labor FOR A PROFIT, incentivizing both greater incarceration rates, and disincentivizing release. The answer is no, I’m not aware of ANY other country that allows a private organization to profit off the labor if people imprisoned by the state. At least not any country we would consider 1st world. It’s absolutely absurd to suggest the current situation is beneficial to anyone but the ruling class and anyone claiming otherwise has never been to prison, never had a relative or friend who has been to prison, or is literally a psychopath who lacks basic human empathy. | | |
| ▲ | 0xDEAFBEAD 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | You're moving the goalposts. Your comment stated: "And does Brazil have their own 13th amendment that allows them to use prison labor as their modern slave workforce?" The article I linked states: "Most countries’ legal systems, however, carve out an exception for prisoner-workers, permitting the state to require them to work..." So my quote directly answers your original concern. Your new concern is about private prisons. Here's a new quote from the article which addresses your new concern: "Involvement by non-public entities in prison work can take many forms. In most countries including all three of Brazil, the United Kingdom, and the United States, for-profit companies operate entire prisons (or provide services within prisons) under government contract. Similarly, the operators of both public and private prisons in all three countries contract with buyers, equipping prison workshops and using prisoner labour to produce goods and services which go on to be sold beyond the prison." (p. 15, emphasis mine) So no, the US system doesn't seem to be especially unusual, according to this article. You're welcome to decry this practice as inhumane, btw. I just don't think it is some sort of skeleton key which will help us understand every aspect of US politics. |
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| ▲ | Der_Einzige 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | De facto there’s hardly rule of law there so if you piss off the wrong people yes. | |
| ▲ | wahern an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's called penal labor, and it was and remains widespread around the world. (And, yes, Brazilian law requires mandatory labor for all prisoners.) It wasn't until the middle to late 20th century that countries began to reform penal labor. But it's complicated. Without penal labor you can't force prisoners to, e.g., do laundry or mop floors. Even mandatory community service is a form of penal labor, and you can still find that in some Western European countries. The norm now is to require a wage for mandatory labor, but of course often it's just a pittance. (Only 6 US states have uncompensated labor.) But even when you require minimum wage, many criminals owe restitution, so it could be and is taken away again. Many US states have penal labor systems just like in Europe, that is nominally opt out, mandatory wages, etc, but at the end of the day it's always open to accusations of coercion and claims of "slavery". The rhetoric around the 13th Amendment is exactly why we're in the situation we are now politically. Everything is equivocated to maximize rhetorical impact. Every unethical thing a politician does is "corruption", so when you get open and egregious corruption as with Trump, people can't discriminate and assume it's all the same. Was penal labor abused to roll back the clock on abolition? Yes. Is penal labor abused today? Yes. But calling it slavery, drawing parallels to chattel slavery, is just irresponsible. |
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| ▲ | otterley 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What’s your angle here, exactly? I don’t get it. | | |
| ▲ | creato 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That the issue of slavery has weak explanatory power for what is happening today. | | |
| ▲ | otterley 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I didn’t ask you. But since you chose to get involved: do you believe there is no lasting impact or consequences resulting from slavery in the USA? | | |
| ▲ | WalterBright 12 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Pretty much everything that has happened in the past has consequences today. It's the butterfly effect. Slavery has existed as far back as history. The idea that people are created equal, and are equal under the law, is very, very new, and that idea has resulted in a great many positive things happening. |
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| ▲ | 0xDEAFBEAD 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'm anti-Trump. If you tell people "Trump is a corrupt asshole", that has a chance at convincing supporters to abandon him. If you tell people "the US needs a cultural revolution due to events from past centuries", that's what got him elected in the first place. A good general wouldn't voluntarily shift the battleground to a region where their troops are weak. Political persuasion is no different. The Democratic Party keeps losing because they cling to unpopular positions on cultural issues. If Trump is as bad as you say, prove it to me by showing willingness to strategically cede ground on a few issues in order to win more voters. | | |
| ▲ | otterley 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I’m generally aligned with your point, but I also don’t think the official position of the Democratic Party is that we need a cultural revolution, nor do I observe most Democrats feel that way. What I do see is media and politicians on the Right characterizing extreme positions held by a minority of folks on the far Left as though they are adopted by the entire Left, and that weak uncritical minds on the Right believe that nonsense. Rush Limbaugh pioneered this technique to profit himself, and Trump gave him a fucking Presidential Medal of Freedom in his first term. | | |
| ▲ | 0xDEAFBEAD 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think you're somewhat underestimating how effectively the far-left minority has scared others into silence. Anyways, I do what I can to push back against them when they say things which seem wacky to me, as in this instance. Maybe I should work harder to make my actual views clear. I added a few sentences to the end of my original comment in this thread: "I don't think this is a slavery thing. Trump just sucks." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49572347 |
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| ▲ | ModernMech 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's recent enough that people living today knew former slaves. That's not ancient history at all, so I think the comparison is not good. I'm sure Brazil also has to deal with fallout of their practices, but I don't see how it changes how the fallout of US slavery impacts the US. | | |
| ▲ | 0xDEAFBEAD 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | >It's recent enough that people living today knew a slave. Slavery ended in 1865. That's 161 years ago. So maybe there are a few modern 80-year-olds who interacted with 80-year-old former slaves when the modern 80-year-olds were infants. Those 80-year-old former slaves would themselves have no memory of slavery since it would've ended before they could form memories. And the modern 80-year-olds would have no memory of the interaction, since they themselves were infants when the interaction happened. In other words: There aren't very many of these people, and it's unclear if most of them would count. You know something which happened more recently in the US than slavery? Prohibition. A trendy, self-righteous moral crusade which didn't accomplish what it set out to achieve, and ended up creating a bunch of problems instead. I think Prohibition is a pretty good template for understanding the form and tendencies of modern left-wing activist movements. But--at least reducing alcoholism was a good cause that we had a shot at doing something about! Short of inventing a time machine, crusading against slavery from centuries ago seems rather pointless. That's not a problem for activists whose primary goal is to be trendy and self-righteous, of course. | | | |
| ▲ | hackernud3s 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think you need to check the math on that. Knew a former slave maybe? | | |
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| ▲ | tstrimple 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sounds like you’re completely ignorant to US history post civil war. You seem to know nothing about the daughters of the confederacy. Know nothing about segregation and Jim Crow. You have no idea that conservatives fight to this day to maintain monuments to literal traitors to the country. Or that they still routinely fly the flag of traitors to the country. Or more likely you do know about all of that and agree with it and just want to white wash conservative history in the US. | |
| ▲ | dataflow 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You don't seem to believe that something like generational wealth makes much of a difference? | | |
| ▲ | hackernud3s 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It makes a difference at a demographics level but I don't think that's what we're discussing here. |
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| ▲ | bigfatkitten 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The United States must be one of the only nations on earth that names its own military bases after enemy commanders. | |
| ▲ | archonis 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >> We're still fighting the remnants of the confederacy. Consicely put, and not nearly present enough in contemporary discourse. | |
| ▲ | hackernud3s 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Comparing MAGA to Nazis is a bit much, and I would argue that this kind of hyperbole is a better example of how we got here. | | |
| ▲ | mjmsmith 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | True, in the sense that right wing extremists apparently have no agency and no responsibility for their actions or beliefs. | | |
| ▲ | hackernud3s 44 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I was thinking more that Nazi's rounded up and gassed a million Jews. So I'm not in a forgiving mood if you're making joking comparisons or trying to be cute. |
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| ▲ | irishcoffee 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Nobody does. The amount of teenage angst posted in this forum about the current admin is amusingly pathetic. None of it matters. Congress constantly gets a free pass while we focus on a figurehead largely enabled by a passive and embarrassing congressional electorate. “We found the scapegoat, blame that guy!” It’s really embarrassing | | |
| ▲ | magicalist 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > “We found the scapegoat, blame that guy!” Yeah, that's not what an scapegoat is. | | | |
| ▲ | conception 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is greatly because most congressional elections are not competitive. | |
| ▲ | ThunderSizzle 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Corruption has been rampant under multiple administrations. I actually had hoped Trump might root out more corruption in his 2nd term, but two things happened: Congress wouldn't go afraid the corruption that was being found, and Charlie Kirk was assassinated in broad daylight...after 2-3 assassination attempts on Trump himself too. It's easier to start looking the other way when bullets start flying. Having said that, I'm not saying Trump was a saint, but it seems this board forgets we just had Obama and Biden running their corruption rings for 2 decades too... | | |
| ▲ | michaelhoney 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | If you really can’t see the difference between Trump’s corruption and any other recent president, you have a reality problem. |
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| ▲ | bawolff 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | People who feel lost and disaffected would rather see the whole thing burn down than continue with the status quo even if it is objectively worse for them. And its clearly been building for a while. Trump and Obama are about as opposite as possible, but they both won by campaigning on "change". This is true in most political systems. Its how most revolutions start. The commoner is always screwed but they still support them. I dont think america is all that exceptional. All sides just see it through their filter bubble and miss the forest for the trees. | |
| ▲ | esafak 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's a very banana republicy thing and not uniquely American. | | |
| ▲ | subarctic 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Well, banana republics are run by American companies from what i understand | |
| ▲ | Sl1mb0 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Lol do you know how the term "Banana Republic" originated | | |
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| ▲ | Petersipoi 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] |
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| ▲ | BLKNSLVR 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Part of the problem with the open brazenness of the corruption is that the populace of the country will follow the lead. The rot will spread far and wide if it is seen that there is no consequence. |
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| ▲ | m4rtink 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yeah, just look at the eastern block countries - corruption was everywhere and considered totally normal. So much that it eventually brought the whole thing down. But it still left a deep mark on people - people who grew up under the old regime still considered it normal to bring gifts (usually alcohol in some form) when visiting doctors - the idea being it would be rude not to! This is having real consequences - I saw an interview with a doctor, where he showed the reports a big closet, full of alcohol from these gifts. That was from just the last week. He also mentions colleagues with tendencies for alcoholism dying from this... | |
| ▲ | equality_1138 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I find this optimistic, suggesting that the rot can be stopped with some consequence? The rotten "populace" in the country seem to love their corrupt politicians, and it's because they're corrupt too. Meritocracy began it's slow death with the banking bailouts. | |
| ▲ | cucumber3732842 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What rots will fall down. Now, if you had some grand master plan to use some part of the federal government to stomp some people in some state for doing it wrong this is probably bad for you. But on a 30-40yr timeline it'll probably just mean a cycle of the feds doing less and the states doing more and the diversity that comes with that. Like we'll all screech about the EPA revoking this or the DOT ceasing to do that but whatever those policies are, if people want them they will be picked up by the states. In most cases it'll probably be 40-something states continuing to do whatever it was or 40-something states saying that was stupid all along and stopping immediately. Basically the sky isn't falling. | | |
| ▲ | autoexec 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | The EPA is a good example of why this is so bad. Even if 90% of the states pass rules to protect the air and water it takes only a small number of states not following environmental regulations to cause a massive amount of harm to air and water quality and the effects of that can be felt in other states. It also hurts businesses when they suddenly find themselves forced to follow an inconsistent/conflicting patchwork of state laws instead of a single federal law. That said, it's still encouraging to see states picking up the slack and passing laws to protect their residents, even though I can't help but feel bad for people who become stuck in states where the government doesn't care about them. I hope that people will be begin to flee states where the government chooses to put corporate profits above the well-being of the public or wants to strip them of their rights, but realistically there will be many people who can't afford to move or who feel compelled to stay because of ties to their friends, family, and community. | | |
| ▲ | cucumber3732842 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | You're only looking at the glass half empty side of things. The environment in the US is very diverse so why is it federally regulated to the degree it is? Not having to put up with rules that make sense in the arid plains or western deserts is gonna be a huge boon to everyone east of the Mississippi. The "consistency" argument is like 99% red herring. There's already a huge patchwork because the way federal agencies work is the states do most of the enforcing so you have 50 states worth of precedents and political whims to keep track of. If we're gonna suffer that patchwork it should at least work for the state as they want it rather than just be various flavors of spin on federal rules nobody fully agrees with. You can run this sort of exercise with just about every federal agency. Stuff like the FRA, DOT and other things where the literal subject matter is flagrantly interstate are where this sort of thing is least true. | | |
| ▲ | bigfatkitten 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > The environment in the US is very diverse so why is it federally regulated to the degree it is? Because there’s relatively little need for diversity. Dumping toxic waste into river systems is as bad in Oregon as it is in Florida. Things that genuinely need local management (e.g. wildlife) can be managed locally. | | |
| ▲ | cucumber3732842 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | You are ignorant of how much of what the federal agencies do is create rules and recommendations and best practices and then tell the states they don't qualify for grant bucks if they don't implement somme amount of all of it. This is where most of the dysfunction comes from, not the classification of what is or isn't a pollutant. Because this is how you get some water rich municipality in the southeast having to adopt stupid rules they don't even want based on some guidelines that were written to be compatible with the water poor west. There'd be a ton less people who are categorically opposed to the federal agencies if not for this sort of thing. And it goes for most agencies, not just the EPA. | | |
| ▲ | doubleg72 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The irony of calling someone ignorant because they can't conceptualize how this fantasy world in your imagination operates... |
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| ▲ | NewJazz 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Most of north dakota, south dakota, montana, wyoming, idaho, eastern Washington, and oregon are a very similar set of ecosystems. |
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| ▲ | ozgrakkurt 5 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It is perplexing how similar it looks when a stupid person who is elected by a stupid base is directing a country. The difference between people doing corruption before and Trump is that the other people had a "legit" lifestyle and worldview but did corruption as a side thing. An ignorant business person like Trump has corruption/intimidation/coercion/deception etc. as a lifestyle because someone like him can't live in the world that he is living in without this lifestyle. Trump isn't really corrupt in the same sense as Obama because they are fundamentally different. You could even say more educated politicians that are able to understand what is going on are more evil. People won't tolerate evil politicians anymore because they understand they are being robbed by the financial system and aren't getting their piece of the pie. It has to be a break to democracy (war?) or economic reform or Mamdani/Trump style government from now, it is really unthinkable people will keep electing Biden/Hilary/Harris/JD Vance kind of politicians anymore unless there is a big breakthrough in brainwashing |
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| ▲ | DivingForGold 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The US has moved down to 29th. I can recall when they were 16th. https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2025 |
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| ▲ | dangjc 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The Supreme Court opened the doors to this with Citizens United. You can’t expect one party to unilaterally disarm while another rakes in hundreds of millions. We all just need to come together and agree on a constitutional amendment to end this. |
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| ▲ | Terr_ 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > It shows that the government isn't concerned about what the public thinks Similar to the "Death of a Euphemism" [0], where some politicians decide they don't have to cloak their proposal in the trappings of reasonability any more. I highly recommend the whole series, as it has renewed relevance today. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dBJIkp7qIg |
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| ▲ | estearum 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Well it’s almost certainly not just more open. But also more common and more intense. There is 100% absolutely no possible comparison to Trump’s personal acts of corruption in any prior White House ever. |
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| ▲ | bandofthehawk an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Maybe it doesn't qualify as a personal act of corruption, but George W. lying us into the the Iraq war followed by capturing people off the street and then torturing them in military prisons, is comparable to what's happening today, in my opinion. | |
| ▲ | shimman 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Trump is bad, but please let's not excuse corporate neoliberal dems that are totally fine with insider trading, legalized bribes, and are quite proud that their consultant campaign workers get lucrative gigs at corporations/boards due to insider access. I mean we have people like Gillibrand that are openly in bed with the crypto industry while somehow decrying what Trump is doing. Feels like they're upset that Trump exposed how rotten this game has gotten. At some point you realize there is a game that you were never playing and it becomes a bipartisan issue. | | |
| ▲ | vannevar 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | No one is excusing them. But it's worth pointing out that in every aspect of government ethics reform, from campaign financing to insider trading by government officials, the legislation promoted by Democrats is stronger than that promoted by Republicans, who often not only don't promote reform but actively oppose it. For example, the recent lukewarm ban on insider trading was opposed by Democrats on the grounds that it was too weak, excluded the President and VP, and included unrelated voter regulation measures. And the Democrats have been trying to pass legislation to correct Citizens United for years. So while it's a bipartisan issue, one party is much more pro-reform than the other. | | |
| ▲ | abletonlive 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > For example, the recent lukewarm ban on insider trading was opposed by Democrats on the grounds that it was too weak Yeah you're brainwashed |
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| ▲ | rootusrootus 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | After reading about Ground News, I am starting to gain a real appreciation for how effective "both sides are bad" is at benefiting the right. It may well be the closest I've seen to 4D chess in reality. | |
| ▲ | hakunin 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | When I hear people making these claims (all unproven theories, or misrepresentation of what really happens), I want to know: what happened in democratic administrations that went in favor of a large corporate donor and against the public? Any specific example where they diverged, and a politician ruled in favor of the corp, and against their constituents? | |
| ▲ | estearum 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | All of that is several orders of magnitude less bad than a normal Tuesday in the Trump administration. For evidence, refer to TFA. | | |
| ▲ | shimman 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Okay and how do you think it helps the democratic candidate's ability to win elections when they are part of the same party that supports corporations over people? In the not so recent past the democratic party controlled Congress for 60+ years on the new deal coalition alone, now look what the party has morphed into... I read the article too, in what sane world is it okay if 70% of citizens thought their governments + corporations are corrupt over a 20 year time span here. Society apparently has get quite bad for the last 20% to realize the state of things. The only thing I got out of this article is that both parties + the F500 need to be destroyed. | | |
| ▲ | vannevar 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | >The only thing I got out of this article is that both parties + the F500 need to be destroyed. I don't know, if we'd had an overwhelmingly Democrat-dominated government, we'd have comprehensive bans on government insider trading and we'd correct the bad ruling in Citizens United. Corporatism is definitely a bipartisan issue, but at least Democrats recognize it as a problem, while to Republicans it's a feature. Not everything in politics is symmetrical, and misguided nihilism is actually how we got where we are. Turns out the road to hell is paved with "it's both sides." | | |
| ▲ | koolba 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > I don't know, if we'd had an overwhelmingly Democrat-dominated government, we'd have comprehensive bans on government insider trading We had two years under Biden with Democrat control of the House and the Senate. They passed no legislation to ban insider trading. It probably didn’t help that the poster octogenarian for insider trading was Speaker of the House > and we'd correct the bad ruling in Citizens United. CU was absolutely the correct ruling as it just means I can take money from wherever I’ve earned it and spend it on publicizing my message. Prior to that you had to buy a media company to have the same effect. It was perfectly fine for Fox News or The NY Times to focus articles and segments on what they deem newsworthy to push their narrative. But if I made my money selling widgets, I couldn’t spend it the same way. It’s a perfectly reasonable ruling. > Corporatism is definitely a bipartisan issue, but at least Democrats recognize it as a problem, while to Republicans it's a feature. The same people probably complain the Senate is an antiquated body that should not exist because mob rule is the only true voice of the people. |
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| ▲ | AdieuToLogic 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > The only thing I got out of this article is that both parties + the F500 need to be destroyed. Destruction is easy, as we are all witnessing. Making things better is hard. It takes commitment to incremental change, often having to overcome setbacks, and accepting that the product of democracy is inherently nonlinear. Democracy also demands that its participants understand that most of the time what each individual wants to be, will not be exactly as they envision, since that would be autocracy. | |
| ▲ | estearum 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Did I say it was okay? If you think I (or virtually anyone else) am a fan of the two-party system, you probably aren't paying very close attention to... anything. Things can be varying levels of imperfect. Things can be imperfect and acceptable, imperfect and bad, or imperfect and extremely extremely bad. It's not a sign of intelligence not to be able to discern between them. |
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| ▲ | grvdrm 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Fair take, I think. But we didn’t have to vote DJT into office as a counteracting force. Whether every decision is bad or not, not my point. It just seemed obvious that he wasn’t the right guy. Some people can’t vote against their party. Some people believe write in is the move. | | |
| ▲ | autoexec 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | A write in, or even just scrawling "FUCK YOU" across the ballot is at least an active protest. It shows that you aren't apathetic to, or okay with, what is going on. It'd be interesting to see a write in campaign for someone with enough public support to be more than just a protest vote though. It'd be interesting to see someone campaign to the public with no interest in participating in the two party system at all, just asking the public to write them in when the time comes. | | |
| ▲ | bandofthehawk an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | There are plenty of third-party candidates in most elections. However, most people are convinced that they have to vote for the lesser of two evils. In addition, a third party or independent candidate who starts getting too much public support will be likely be sabotaged long before election day.
For example look up Butch Ware's recent run for governor in California. It's just the tip of the iceberg in how the two party system maintains control. | |
| ▲ | mypalmike 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Voting is a massively multiplayer game, not an individual sport. If you want to protest, please do it. But throwing away your vote is not a protest, it’s a method of ceding a small amount of power. |
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| ▲ | jeffbee 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Implying that it's always been this way is part of the reason we are now here. For my entire life, bad faith commentators insinuated that the federal government was rife with corruption. When under Democratic control, of course. The time that Al Gore made one long-distance telephone call from his official desk, using his own personal calling card, birthed over 200 New York Times articles, 30 of them on the front page. We just had to get to the bottom of all that corruption! |
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| ▲ | iamnothere 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The problems that happened during the Clinton admin (with the exception of Whitewater) weren’t so much corruption as they were short-sighted neoliberal trade deals and hostility to organized labor, which accelerated the process of hollowing out the country. But this was also an unusual period in US history due to the end of the Cold War, so this administration could be an exception. Most of the scandals from this period appear quaint. | | |
| ▲ | cucumber3732842 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | An under-examined axis of this problem is that people choose to believe in corruption because it's better than the alternative. It's way more comforting to believe that Bill Clinton's buddies (or whoever) got rich selling industrial America overseas to the cheers of the progressives who thought all that stuff was dirty any way because at least that way it looks sane and planned and rational, albeit selfish, than it was done out of ignorance or malice. And once enough people believe in the corruption, it manifests itself because it's perceived as how things are. | | |
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| ▲ | dispomatrix 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yeah, because the disposition matrix is peak democracy. | |
| ▲ | netsharc 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "Both sides are just as bad" is copium for when the guy from "your side" is revealed to be a corrupt piece of shit. You don't like it, so you justify to yourself that the other party is also full of creeps and assholes and thieves, so you can continue to support your guy guilt free... Of course the supporters of one particular political party is much more better at gymnastics of the mental kind than the other side. Having no spine makes it quite easier... | | |
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| ▲ | iAMkenough 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Sucks seeing the federal government weaponize the U.S. Postal Service to prevent legitimate ballots from being counted. |
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| ▲ | BLKNSLVR 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Also gives an idea as to how desperate and paranoid they are. | |
| ▲ | mrtesthah 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It doesn't just "suck" -- it's a path to dictatorship that threatens the freedoms and lives of its citizens. | | | |
| ▲ | vkou 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What would anyone expect to happen when people are stupid enough to elect someone who tried, with multiple parallel methods, including an attack on Congress, to steal one election already. |
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| ▲ | mc32 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| When Congress people enrich themselves while serving in office[1] and there's a revolving door from public service into private and we have billions in unaccounted spending, fraud everywhere you look (especially since Covid), it's no surprise people feel upset by corruption. My hope is we will, one day, have an administration that roots it out using modern fraud detection, gets rid of waste, shuts down non-profits that funnel monies to their founders (anything where "overheard" is over 50%), stops insider trading amongst politicians and government workers, but I don't see them voting against their greed. [1]https://ballotpedia.org/Changes_in_Net_Worth_of_U.S._Senator... |
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| ▲ | dfxm12 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is putting mildly. The most damning bit might just be that Republican voters saw all the corruption of Trump I and decided they wanted more. |
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| ▲ | LastTrain an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| You are partially right. We used to collectively throw people out when they were exposed as corrupt. Now it works like this: Republicans get called out by Democrats, Democrats get called out by Republicans and Democrats. And if that goes on long enough Democrats will start overlooking their own transgressions, I see that starting already. |