So much doom and gloom on this site. Makes it almost not worth reading.

lukewarm707 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

my messages are so gloomy because i am heartbroken, that given a technological miracle again, we could snatch tragedy from the jaws of our emancipation.

will you not see that people could be truly empowered and yet will instead be oppressed?

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CaptWorld an hour ago | parent [-]

So oppressed that they are one of the main reasons for positive gdp growth in the USA, tax revenues, mathematical/scientific innovations etc. They're doing all this but still can't imagine a positive vision for the world but be a doomer. What a sad state the world is in, the humans are more prosperous, healthier than ever but looks like the seven deadly sins might never go away.

	▲	lukewarm707 4 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		you say ai increases gdp growth, tax revenues and scientific innovations. then you say that ai is good. that is not formally valid. in between those two you are smuggling the assumption that gdp growth, tax revenues and scientific innovations are good. a) those metrics are poisoned, per Goodheart's law. b) they are not good and human welfare will get worse as gdp, tax revenues and innovations grow. i leave b for the reader to complete.

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justonepost2 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

maybe that's because the doom and gloom is the transparently correct outcome?

	▲	CaptWorld an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Why? Even communists weren't this doomed and were actively rooting for it to solve the economic calculation problem which ai might take us to. People are just pessimistic in general ig

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dudefeliciano 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Right let's give those AI companies a break, it's not like swarms of autonomous agents are committing felonies

	▲	CaptWorld an hour ago \| parent [-]
		You talk as though they are making it to intentionally commit felony or not taking measures to reduce harm etc.

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dakolli 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Please tell me how AI is going to make regular people's lives better. You optimisitic types keep saying "just wait, its going to cure diseases" without any outlook on how thats going to happen. You're actually just repeating marketing jargon from AI companies who want people to think they're going to possibly live longer if you let them build more datacenters, so they can make another 30%. Its all about money, thats it.

It seems to me that it is making everyone (including myself and the researchers we need to cure diseases) lazy and dependent on thinking machines owned by tech companies. Just how autocomplete and gps made us worse at spelling and navigating, llms make us less able to exercise our ability to think and problem solve. This will have 100% strictly negative consequences on you and the world as a whole. .

And even if there was a cure to many diseases the eugenics types who are embedded in worldwide power structures definately arent going to share that universally.

	▲	john_strinlai an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		some say it will cure all diseases and lead to utopia. some, like you, say it will be "100% strictly negative". i don't really understand either take. nothing else in the world is so perfectly black or white. there will be good, there will be bad. i think i especially dislike the "100% strictly negative" take, considering the good things that ai has already done or accelerated.
	▲	CaptWorld 44 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Can't you see the pathway where the individuals who are experts in their fields utilise AI to make breakthroughs like these mathematicians finding breakthroughs in mere 4-5 years since the advent of LLMs. In other areas, The bottleneck seems to be physical experimentation which researchers are increasingly utilising for new ideas and pathways like how anthropic is concentrating on. It's all about money/status/pride/ envy but are these endeavours solving problems or not. That's why even utilize innovations from bad humans like DBS etc. that's why we tolerate capitalism and markets as well whereas socialism utilises these same sins and makes even worse human atrocities.