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hackingonempty 4 hours ago

Strike 3, the studio involved, files more lawsuits in the USA than anyone else. I think that makes them the biggest Copyright Trolls of all time. They run their own BitTorrent monitoring operation.

mullingitover 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Meta, the other company involved, engaged in industrial scale piracy in pursuit of training data[1].

Let me break out the world's tiniest violin for them.

[1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/02/meta-torrented-o...

sureMan6 3 hours ago | parent [-]

They downloaded pdfs (shock and horror) to create and publish the first open weights LLM

Your ethics shouldn't be dictated by US copyright law

ceejayoz 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Your ethics shouldn't be dictated by US copyright law

If your ethics deem Meta ethical, they probably need recalibrating.

s1artibartfast 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Actor and action conflation is incredibly common these days. If someone is bad and worth condemnation, all their actions must also be bad.

nkrisc 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If a bad actor’s actions appear good, skepticism is warranted.

soulofmischief an hour ago | parent [-]

The actor is bad, the deed is good. Though, the open sourcing of llama 2 and beyond was pushed by Yann Lecun and others, some of whom have moved on from the company. Zuckerberg supports the AI initiatives but he's hardly leading them himself.

mcmcmc an hour ago | parent [-]

What argument do you have that releasing llama was actually good? They gave AI access to terrorists and criminals as much as they did to independent researchers. Arguably they are partially responsible for escalating blackhat cyber capabilities that are contributing to the rapid rise in attacks. Open source is neither inherently good or bad. The most you could really say is that it was accelerationist

bitpush an hour ago | parent [-]

> They gave AI access to terrorists and criminals as much as they did to independent researchers.

That's an odd hill to die own. Lots of despicable people use iPhones. Does that Apple is somehow complicit?

mcmcmc 22 minutes ago | parent [-]

No, it means iPhones are neither good nor bad.

ceejayoz 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://twitter.com/dril/status/831805955402776576

nitterclick an hour ago | parent [-]

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bigfatkitten an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Adolph Hitler is often credited (with varying accuracy) with the Autobahn, fixing Germany’s unemployment and launching Volkswagen to produce affordable motor vehicles.

None of these make him a good person any more than Meta’s occasional positive acts make it a good company.

throwway120385 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's more likely that their motivation was bad.

efficax 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

i don't necessarily disagree but others have been jailed for this activity (or like aaron swarz, driven to suicide)

overfeed 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Your ethics shouldn't be dictated by US copyright law

Corporate lawlessness has no good outcomes for humans.

doc_ick 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are you saying laws shouldn’t restrict any company that give out an open source next-token iterator?

I think that’s more hopium ethics.

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fn-mote 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The company that owns the copyright should be allowed to enforce it. I don't see how that can be called trolling.

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