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throwawayq3423 3 hours ago

What is novel physics?

astro1234 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think they mean improve our understanding of physics with new theoretical results or paradigms. Like if it’s 1899, would Astra develop General and Special relativity on its own?

glenstein an hour ago | parent | next [-]

This is as good a time as any to note that we might be closing in on a new conceptual revolution in our own time as it relates to holography and an information centric approach to spacetime. Obviously It's the furthest possible thing from a guarantee, but it has much of the enthusiasm and motivation that string theory had previously enjoyed in prior decades.

So it could be a natural experiment for whether AI can contribute to novel physics. Specifically, there's a big question about weather. Something like our informational understanding of black holes where information inside it is equivalent to information on its boundary (which I'm sure I'm not saying correctly), might be generalized to regular space-time. More people should be freaking out with excitement about this and perhaps it's something to which AI can contribute.

adastra22 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There was symbolic AI programs in the 1980’s that “discovered” Kepler’s laws and the resulting solar system model from just tycho brache’s astronomical observations. That was the the very first “new physics” ever.

verelo 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

i wonder if we could train a modal, and omit all data prior to 1899, and see what happens?

astro1234 an hour ago | parent [-]

Do you mean after? People do this!! But I think it’s a bit different. It won’t be apples to apples because the data volume I think is just so much different. Maybe there are good experiments for something like this.

ShinyLeftPad an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

as always, as good as its prompt...

senderista 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I assume solving one of the major open problems of physics?

adastra22 43 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

That’s already been done. I know of at least one novel result contributed by Claude to frontier physics. I’m sure there is more.

type_enthusiast 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Would this be possible without it being able to run novel real-world physics experiments autonomously?

(Note: I am not suggesting we let it do this. Please don't, in fact)

petilon 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

AI could discover candidate novel physics without autonomously operating new physical experiments, and humans or instruments can later independently validate the result. This is analogous to how Einstein developed theories whose predictions were confirmed by experiments and observations only years or decades later.

auntienomen an hour ago | parent [-]

Do we have any examples of an current day AI system introducing a novel concept or perspective. We've got plenty of counterexamples discovered and some theorems proven, but afaik nothing analogous to a new definition.

adastra22 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Why not?

colordrops 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

For it to be like a human it wouldn't just need to solve existing phsyics problems, it would need to push the field forward and introduce new paradigms.

petilon 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Solving "open problems" will push the field forward.