Their input and output interfaces are too different from human's and they're not nearly as smart to take our IQ tests, but both dolphins and octopuses can solve complex puzzles tailored for their environment. Those puzzles are the whole reason scientists know that dolphins and octopuses are more intelligent than other animals.

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ranyume 5 hours ago | parent [-]

But we do know they're "intelligent" and also smart in an important capacity. So how gives we don't measure them by IQ? Because the IQ is not a good measure of intelligence or smarts.

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mdp2021 5 hours ago | parent [-]

> Because the IQ is

No, it is just because they have difficulties at the bench.

> how gives we don't measure them by

We'd measure them by all the tests available. Not all test are usable in all circumstances.

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ranyume 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> No, it is just because they have difficulties at the bench.

I'll put it in another way. A "gifted kid" can be measured incredibly well on an IQ test, but fail miserably at incredibly normal but very difficult tasks such as consoling someone for their loss and managing family crisis. This is a clear example where an IQ measure doesn't translate to a person being capable of meaningfully changing their environments for good which is one way we define intelligence.

On the other hand saying "the gifted person is highly intelligent/smart just not good at some things" really diminishes the other tasks, because they really are very difficult tasks but are not measured by an IQ test.

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mdp2021 3 hours ago | parent [-]

We have always been very aware that IQ does not measure all skills - nonetheless, it does measure one.

Nobody says that the IQ test would "measure intelligence". We know it does test a form of it.

	▲	ranyume 5 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I said it's a bad measure of intelligence and it seems that we agree.