| ▲ | aliasxneo 2 hours ago | |
I've been in an interesting spot the last few months. I've pitched probably two dozen or so VCs and, and while almost every case showed interest, it was quickly followed by "rules" and "desires" that were antithetical to the product. The product I am building is a decentralized trust system. The word "trust" is literally in the name. It requires very specific decisions and a very specific organizational and legal structure to be successful. Why? Because anything else doesn't breed trust. But that's actually the problem. The VCs don't like those things, because in almost every case it relinquishes their control/power. Or, they ask us to do something either questionably or blatantly unethical in order to sweeten the pot. I was one of those founders "unaware of the Cancer Capital situation." After six months of pitching, it's become extremely obvious to me that the current VC system is incapable of funding anything ethical or long-term. I don't know what the right answer is from here. Our current attempt is founding a syndicate of like-minded individuals to bootstrap a pre-seed. It seems like the only possibility where you might be able to maintain an ethical vision without fighting a cancerous overlord. We'll see how it goes. | ||
| ▲ | keeda 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | |
I think the problem is that decentralization is almost by definition antithetical to the ability to capitalize on something. As you indicated, decentralization means diffusion of control and power, which are essential to capitalize on that thing. Why would a VC or any capitalist invest money if they cannot see a way to earn back multiples? Sure you could make some money, but nowhere near the monopoly profits everyone is seeking. A decentralized Google would never be as profitable as a centralized one, so where would a capitalist prefer putting their money? IMO this is also why decentralized systems or peer-to-peer applications never really caught on. Some point to technical challenges or usability issues or a lack of use-cases, but I believe all of those could have been overcome with enough investment. There just wasn't enough money in them compared to centralization. (It didn't help that the only really popular systems were almost entirely used for illegal or unproductive purposes.) And these dynamics over time are what have led to the asymmetric Internet today. The Internet was supposed to be equal, with each node capable of being a client and a server and, heck, even a router. But that's clearly not what we have today: networks hostile to P2P connectivity, increasingly powerful centralized services, and decreasingly capable end-user devices. | ||
| ▲ | r_lee 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |
I'm not saying the VC scene is great, but I mean what's in this for them? | ||
| ▲ | PaulRobinson an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |
Yeah, you need to look away from private equity investment. Mutuals, co-ops, LLPs, there's lots of other models, but VC and PE money is not where you want to be. | ||
| ▲ | ericd 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |
Well, is there a clear route to being a >$10B business? If not, it's probably not a good match for VC. But that's OK. | ||
| ▲ | shimman 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |
Are you able to say the product you're working on? It sounds really interesting. | ||
| ▲ | lorepieri 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |
I'd be interested to hear how it goes. | ||
| ▲ | xyst 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |
Unfortunately your product doesn’t fit into Peter Thiel’s "vision" of the world. | ||