| ▲ | profsummergig 3 days ago |
| It's a high trust homogenous society without lots of different groups with all kinds of grievances about the past, present and the future. And it's probably rural, where everyone knows each other. When I read the headline, I sided with the mother. But a five-year old having to cross four roads in total to and from (with vehicles going up 25 mph legally, and who knows how fast illegally) is a bit much. |
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| ▲ | r14c 3 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| It doesn't have to be homogeneous or rural, you just have to address the grievances, make sure everyone is adequately housed, has access to medical attention, and has something to do; and then you get peace. |
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| ▲ | bluefirebrand 2 days ago | parent [-] | | No that's really not sufficient Some groups of people have absolutely endless amounts of grievances. They have made the grievances their entire personality. They will never be sufficiently satisfied with whatever concessions you make to them | | |
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| ▲ | GeoAtreides 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >homogenous society this is a racist dogwhistle. _Homogeneous_ is code for racial or ethnic purity. |
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| ▲ | profsummergig 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | ^^^ This is exactly what I meant. People and groups with unlimited grievances (and, unfortunately, associated revenge fantasies). Switzerland has less of this. So you can send your 5-year old for a long walk alone, knowing that your neighbors will be looking out. (PP: even the word "rural" is seen as a dog-whistle, e.g. by the NYTimes.) Listen: I'm a visible minority where I'm a citizen of, myself. I'm not shilling for racial homogeneity or totalitarian philosophy at all. I'm just sharing my lived experience that when there are lots of groups with lots of grievances against each other, there's less ambient, latent trust. | |
| ▲ | eudamoniac 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's okay to acknowledge that diversity has some downsides, and homogeny some upsides. We can be intellectually honest enough to admit this, right? | | |
| ▲ | GeoAtreides 3 days ago | parent [-] | | are you asking if it's ok to acknowledge the upsides of racial purity? the things i read on hn... | | |
| ▲ | eudamoniac 3 days ago | parent [-] | | It isn't ok to acknowledge that racial (cultural) homogeny has any benefit to a society whatsoever? | | |
| ▲ | YeGoblynQueenne 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Wait. Is it racial or is it cultural? There's a difference there. Do you believe it's possible to have cultural homogeneity without having racial homogeneity? Btw I think you're wrong: people can be extremely xenophobic with the folks from the next village over who are their cousins thrice removed. It's nothing to do with race or culture, just who's in the in-group and who's in the out-group, and what those are depends on a myriad of factors that "race" and "culture" are only convenient, but inaccurate, proxies for. Another example: Greek football fans from Athens will literally murder their counterparts from Thessaloniki, and they're all just as Greek as each other [1]. You just have to draw a line in the sand and people on either side of it will start throwing stones at each other. __________________ [1] Culturally of course. We're not a "race". Tiny little rant but with Nolan's Odyssey, there were the usual complains about Helen being played by a black woman etc. and people all over the internet were having fights about what real Greeks look like. Oh they have fair hair and light skin. No they have dark hair and olive skin. And so on. The truth is that most Greek families are like mine: one parent is fair-haired and light skinned (my dad: blond hair, green eyes, goes red in the sun; his mom: blond hair, blue eyes, skin like yogurt) and the other is dark-haired and dark skinned (my mom: brown hair, brown eyes, goes brown in the sun; her mom: black hair, black eyes, never sat in the sun). But stereotypes persist so me and one of my friends were asked how come we're both fair-haired with light-coloured eyes when true Greeks are brown and at the same time a friend recommended to me a concealer that was three tones darker than my actual colour even though I was standing right there in front of her eyes with my pasty-white skin. Race is not what it's made out to be. End rant. | | |
| ▲ | eudamoniac 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I think cultural is probably the thing that has benefits, but they are so intertwined that they're essentially the same or impossible to extricate. Anyone who has visited Japan can understand that there is some benefit to racial/cultural homogeny. It doesn't really matter which of the two is the important part when they cannot be extricated. | | |
| ▲ | YeGoblynQueenne 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why Japan? How about the UK, or the US? Aren't those a bit more relevant? Those are certainly not racially homogeneous societies but why is it that racial differences are also cultural differences? Like, don't all Americans, black and white, love their guns for example? Or love baseball? |
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| ▲ | comrade1234 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm in Zurich which is far from rural. Not really very homogenous either - it's 50% non-Swiss. |
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| ▲ | joenot443 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I would imagine they're referring to cultural and behavioral homogeneity, not necessarily national or distinctly ethnic homogeneity. | |
| ▲ | zetanor 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'm sorry that you have to be around Germans, Austrians, Italians, Spaniards, and—worst of all—the French. Nobody should ever go through that. | | |
| ▲ | Gud 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | There are 150 nationalities in Zurich. | | |
| ▲ | profsummergig 2 days ago | parent [-] | | They are also the cream of the crop from their respective nations. Diplomats and bankers. | | |
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| ▲ | jeffbee 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Imagine implying that Swiss Germans and German Germans look upon each other with familiarity instead of wariness or even suspicion. | | |
| ▲ | bushwart 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Wait til they hear about East German Germans and West German Germans. |
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| ▲ | fouc 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > It's a short walk, along a sidewalk separated from the street by 10 feet of grass. Sam would have to cross two streets with crosswalks, which she'd seen him do safely hundreds of times—including six times that morning |
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| ▲ | profsummergig 3 days ago | parent [-] | | She was always with him when he did that. Not the same as him doing it alone. Regardless, there are local laws against this. | | |
| ▲ | echoangle 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > Regardless, there are local laws against this. Yeah, but maybe the laws are stupid and should be changed? | |
| ▲ | LorenPechtel 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | She repeatedly saw him do it safely. Why should she think he wouldn't do it safely if not observed? | | |
| ▲ | profsummergig a day ago | parent [-] | | Because mom is not around, so now he can go where he wants? You must believe that people in society follow all the expectations? Especially children? |
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| ▲ | expedition32 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| True. I can let a kid ride a bicycle in Amsterdam but not London. |
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| ▲ | bigstrat2003 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| There is absolutely nothing wrong with a five-year-old crossing small roads like that. |