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GlibMonkeyDeath 14 hours ago

"The H-1B program was started with the vision of finding von Brauns across other industries and bringing them into the US"

Is this true? I thought the the "O" visa accomplished this. H-1B is for specific worker shortages. Of course, a "shortage" from a company's perspective is "no Americans are applying for my position", which isn't necessarily because there are no qualified Americans to hire...

tehlike 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

So even though O-1 is intended for extra ordinary abilities, it's far from one.

wakawaka28 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That isn't what it means to have a shortage. In many cases Americans are discouraged from applying for these jobs. They can overspecify the criteria or be overly skeptical about your resume, write the job listing poorly, or hide the job listing entirely. What a shortage really means from their perspective is that they can't find enough workers for the price they want to pay (as opposed to what they can afford). However, I don't find that satisfying. I might have a legitimate business idea that would work only if I could find 100 great engineers willing to work for far below average. That would be considered insane in isolation, but if several large companies get together and issue the same complaint like "We can't move ahead because there are not enough engineers in our price range" then they call it a shortage. But I don't think American workers should have to tolerate these people flooding the market just because they can make money by doing so lol...

GlibMonkeyDeath 13 hours ago | parent [-]

"What a shortage really means from their perspective is that they can't find enough workers for the price they want to pay"

Exactly - we are in agreement

wakawaka28 2 hours ago | parent [-]

We are mostly in agreement. I'm pretty sure we need to sympathize with employers in situations like this, at times, though. It doesn't help anyone to reduce every shortage to a supposed moral fault in the employers lol. At what point do we become sympathetic to them? When their business is crucial to society and can't function without the workers at the given price? Or is it when the market rate for a job is offensive to other kinds of workers at jobs of similar difficulty? I think the societal need is a plausible reason, but it leads to this slippery slope we started off complaining about. It boils down to: who's to say how expensive is too expensive, or that a business should fail because of a politically imposed scarcity of labor?

SpicyLemonZest 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, it’s true. The H-1B program was redesigned that way in the Immigration Act of 1990 that introduced the O visa category; before that, the H-1B criteria formally required that recipients have “distinguished merit and ability” and perform services “of an exceptional nature requiring such merit and ability”.

GlibMonkeyDeath 13 hours ago | parent [-]

Ah yes - the older H1 program started in 1952 (I was confused by the article calling the H1 visa "H-1B" - they aren't the same.)