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pixl97 8 hours ago

Programmers then: "We don't need unions, it's a bunch of communism that keeps me from making as much money as possible"

Programmers now: "Oh no, holy shit, what am I going to do as the market forces us to be a bunch of fucking gremlins. Too bad I threw away the power of collective bargaining"

It seems people keep forgetting why unions formed in the first place. Given a chance a company of any size will fully optimize for its own profit regardless of how awful the side effects are to individuals, the environment, and society at large.

matherial 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't think there are successful examples of unions being able to fight major technological shifts in the long haul. At best, they can force the management to accept a suicide pact - we're all slowly going down together. That may be preferable to sudden layoffs, but it's still not great, as evidenced by the troubles of the US auto industry.

Instead, I think that doctors and lawyers have it right: they effectively have the authority to decide who's allowed to practice the profession, so ChatGPT can't write you prescriptions or defend you in court.

vips7L 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Other engineering specialties are typically protected under law in many states as well.

xwkd 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If the problems are solved, wouldn't you rather all those programmers use their productive systems-oriented brains on other problems?

js8 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah. But, unlike China, the West doesn't seem to want to invest very much into real-world engineering. Except maybe military for forever wars, which is ethically way worse.

This is a side effect of capital accumulation. There's no one to buy the products (as low/middle class gets squeezed) so no reason to invest. Instead, oligarchs hold money in assets and compete over control, ultimately with violence.

js8 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was about to say, it's not just IT industry, it's capitalism leading to this.

bbor 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I love the pro-union sentiment, but I don't think we need to treat "programmers" so monolothically, and we definitely should act like its too late. Now is the perfect moment to unionize!

goatlover 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

See West Virginia coal mining in the early 20th century. Resulted in a lot of violent conflict as desperate workers were getting squeezed for every penny and owned little of their own, often working in company towns.