I don't know if Google is having the worst marketing fumble or the most genius marketing one. Their "flash" models are very comparable to other companies' "pro" or "flagship" models. It seems to be a quite counterintuitive naming convention as it undersells the models.

Unless they have an even more powerful Gemini Pro in the oven...?

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anthonypasq 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

the 3.5 pro pretrain was a complete disaster, they shelved it and are now working on gemini 4.

3.0 flash -> 3.8 flash is all post training which is pretty impressive.

	▲	chrsw 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Do labs come back from disasters like GDM’s 3.5 pretrain? I am thinking of Meta’s Llama 4. Meta is just now starting to be taken seriously again but they are definitely not at the frontier. And when I say “come back” I mean have an Opus 4.5 moment, which was really mind blowing for me at the time. Fable was a similar leap, just not as big.

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rahidz 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if it's about keeping the federal government out of their business after seeing what happened to Sol & Mythos.

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owaiswiz 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

not saying they do have a beefier pro, but even if they did, isn't the delta between flash vs pro models reduced quite a bit? (e.g glm 5.3 flash vs 5.3, v4 flash vs v4 pro, sonnet 5 vs opus 5)?

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drowntoge 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Well if that's the case, it's been in the oven for quite a while now.