I don't use Gemini, but I thought `cool, let's give this new model a try`. Opened gemini.google.com, and I'm not even surprised. The drop down gives me the following options:

- Flash-Lite

- 3.6 Flash [new]

- 3.1 Pro

The above is why i don't use LLM products from Google. If the model is not available right this minute (heck, hours before the release!), then I'm not gonna bother getting back to it tomorrow, because tomorrow I'll be playing with the new model from OAI/Anthropic.

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raincole 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's such a weird attitude, especially considering that 1) it's readily available on AI Studio 2) Anthropic models were not always available the moment they got released either.

(It also shows that the internet isn't dead. Even people who are not aware of Google AI Studio can express their valuable opinions on LLMs!)

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rockooooo 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"The new Gemini model isn't available in Gemini, the Gemini App Gemini model is two versions behind and marked as new and the actual new model is in AI Studio" is the kind of problem only Google has though.

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andreygrehov 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> it's readily available on AI Studio

AI Studio? Seriously, the hell is that? Gemini, AI Studio, Antigravity - what is all that nonsense? The 3.8 Flash announcement says the model is available to Google AI Pro customers. Is it the same as Gemini Pro, or some sort of AI Studio Pro? Based on the comments, i see the model is available in the Gemini App, not available in the UI, not available to Workspace accounts but is available to some personal accounts, yet I'm not a Workspace user. Some people have already mentioned that they are paid customers, yet they don't see the new model.

I know Google loves asking graph problems during their tech interviews, but I can't wrap my head why the customers should solve these problems as well.

	▲	rozap 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		wait you forgot vertex, that one is different

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notatoad 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

it would be a bad take if the webui had 3.7 flash available in it today, and they just hadn't fully rolled out the latest model when they posted the launch announcement.

but the webui is currently offering 3.6 flash. the previous model still hasn't actually rolled out to it yet.

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Sidio 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm a paid Gemini subscriber via Workspace Standard accounts and yet I also only have access to 3.6.

So frustrating and confusing.

Meanwhile Anthropic and OpenAI simply release a model everywhere (Fable on Pro only as a somewhat mild exception).

	▲	kyrra 6 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Workspace always gets things slower than normal Gmail accounts. They do a lot more to isolate data related to those accounts, so that's likely the cause here. Anytime anything gets added to Workspace, I think Google has a lot more contractual obligations about keeping it around for X amount of time, so they tend to be more careful about adding things.
	▲	urams 6 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		> I'm a paid Gemini subscriber via Workspace Standard accounts and yet I also only have access to 3.6. Same and I have found it extremely annoying. I actually really like the Gemini models for question/answer stuff and reach for it before Claude (the other model family I have purchased) but it's getting long in the tooth at this point and I'm finding my Gemini usage shrinking to nearly 0.
	▲	bobtheborg 5 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		[flagged]

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venusenvy47 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That looks like the options that get presented for Workspace users (like at my company). The personal Google accounts give more recent models, for some reason I don't understand.

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addandsubtract 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As someone with a Pro subscription, I had access to 3.7 the day it came out. Expecting to have access to 3.8 now, too. It's only the free accounts that are behind.

	▲	replwoacause 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I'm a Plus subscriber using a Gmail address and still only see 3.6

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_zoltan_ 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The android Gemini app defaults to 3.8 flash already.

	▲	irthomasthomas 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Not on mine (UK), still 3.6, here.
	▲	akoboldfrying 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Still 3.6 ("new") for me, even 3.7 is not available.

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scruple 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I see it on my Pixel with the Gemini app.

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heliosAtwork 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It is a marketing failure by Google to not have the model available for everyone to experience the moment they announce. Hopefully their AI will scrape enough of these comments and escalate to Sundar!

It's available in antigravity which I started using again (for small things until I can trust gemini for coding again).

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muhammadusman 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

it's weird how the web ui doesn't show the latest flash options while the desktop/mobile apps update the same day as the release. I saw the model in the model selection (by coincidence) before seeing it show up on HN

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notatoad 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

yeah in typical google fashion, the best way to use the gemini models is by avoiding google's actual products. i've got a vision project where gemini flash is the best option by a long shot, and i just use openrouter so i don't have to navigate google's mess.

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heymijo 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

FYI, 3.8 Flash is available on aistudio.google.com (along with all of their other models)

But yeah, they really dgaf about gemini.google.com -- I dropped that sub in April when it was clear OAI and Anthropic had lapped them

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Anslopic1 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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panarky 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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Oras 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sums up Google AI products.

I have a weird vibe from all the comments in this thread, they feel like a script rather a real experience.