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jcranmer an hour ago

Despite its name, NRVO isn't an optimization performed by the optimizer, it's something done by the frontend of the compiler before it generates the code for the optimizer to run on.

The frontend is extremely reluctant to do anything like flow analysis, in large part because the frontend doesn't even really have any code to do the analysis on, just the AST. More people (including far too many on the committee itself) need to understand the separation between the different parts of the compiler, and what each part can and cannot do effectively.

whizzter an hour ago | parent [-]

They probably _were_, since lower level code representations often has little notion of complex types and their semantics they could be kept clean and focused on machine code, however type inference in a language like C++ complicates such matters immensly since an assignment can be both a register move and a function call.

Template resolution solved that in the past, but C++ today allows auto in so many places that I'm uncertain that it can be done without some flow based support (if constexpr comes to mind).

I mentioned ClangIR(MLIR) in the sibling comment here, feels like it was built for stuff like this.

jcranmer 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

> Template resolution solved that in the past, but C++ today allows auto in so many places that I'm uncertain that it can be done without some flow based support (if constexpr comes to mind).

C++ requires determining the type of every expression immediately. Even auto doesn't change that: it determines the type of the variable based on the initializer, literally following the same rules as template argument deduction (there's a little bit of patching to tweak the exact expression being used for deduction, but https://eel.is/c++draft/dcl.type.auto.deduct#3 is the core rule here).

ClangIR doesn't necessarily help here, because while it does give a more abstract C abstract machine IR semantics, it's still downstream of things like NRVO decision points--it's still fundamentally past the codegen-the-AST barrier.