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vessenes an hour ago

This is a recent essay on robotic workers that does not mention Figure’s 24+ hour livestream of a robot doing package management on a live assembly line.

The real reason it’s hard to assess where we’re at with industrial robots is that some of the people who’ve gone hardest at it are secretive, and also believe in power law scaling. So, the first 1,000 robots will only be used to build the next robot factory, which also will be used to build the next really big robot factory. When we see humanoid robots actually out in the wild for sale at retail, they are going to come very very quickly, at scale.

Figure and Boston Dynamics sold out next year’s production runs almost instantly sometime last year; I think it’s just incredibly hard to overestimate the impact humanoid robots are going to have on the global economy.

DennisP 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

It was a team of robots. One has battery for three or four hours.

I don't think it really addresses the article's concerns about long-horizon tasks or complex object manipulation. The objects were just bags and boxes, the manipulations were very simple, and each task was a few seconds long.

throwitaway222 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There still seems to be questions around if that was faked. (scorch me if I'm wrong I last looked at this a month ago)

tokai 22 minutes ago | parent [-]

Questions? It's clear it was faked. The robot kept pushing its non-existent vr googles back up.

troupo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> When we see humanoid robots actually out in the wild for sale at retail, they are going to come very very quickly, at scale.

Building factories and other robots is trivial. Just go and watch videos of any modern factory.

What's nigh impossible is doing complex interactions requiring finesse, "human touch", and at speed.

Even if you build a million robot-building robots, not a single one of them will be able to fold clothes, for example.

dawnerd 11 minutes ago | parent [-]

Re: folding clothes, there’s machines that can do that already at the industrial scale.

troupo 4 minutes ago | parent [-]

But probably not when those clothes come out if the dryer, or (in the retail) when someone just throws a shirt on a shelf

gjsman-1000 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> So, the first 1,000 robots will only be used to build the next robot factory, which also will be used to build the next really big robot factory. When we see humanoid robots actually out in the wild for sale at retail, they are going to come very very quickly, at scale.

This is one of the dumbest ideas I've read here. Seriously; do you honestly believe, that we will be able to linearly scale all of the materials that go into robots?

You can't have a factory without motors, aluminum, steel, copper, quality control, CNC manufacturing, precision bearings, ball screws, harmonic drives, semiconductors, batteries, and skilled people to design, install, and maintain all of it. Every one of those is its own supply chain with its own bottleneck, and almost all of them are already constrained and at risk.

If anything, I would bet you $500 we will not be able to jump to the robotics age because we don't have enough skilled humans on this earth, due to the excitement about not training them because of their imminent replacement. That's before geopolitics - do you think China, if we actually built working humanoid robots, wouldn't immediately claim all supply for themselves and lock down the supply chain? Of course they would, it would be stupid not to. In the event of a working humanoid robot, every single dependency needs to be onshore, or it's not scaling.

MisterTea 34 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> You can't have a factory without motors, ...

This might hold true if the nation building the robots did not have a well established manufacturing base. However, I can see this working in China who has a strong manufacturing base where they can rapidly source all of theses components. It would make for a great experiment but you need working robots first. And that is where I think this idea falls short -- there are no capable robots to accomplish this self-replicating task.

DiggyJohnson 43 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

You could have made the same point without starting with the insult.

gjsman-1000 33 minutes ago | parent [-]

The original commentator works at a private equity fund, admits he has lost $1B twice, and yet any blue-collar laborer has a better grasp of the material world. The insult is earned.