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Check if a file was made with Claude(claude.com)
28 points by frexs 2 hours ago | 18 comments
hmokiguess 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Could this be used to perform some sort of distillation or exploit? e.g. reminds me of the OWASP guideline on attack vectors where knowing if an ID is present or not in the database can be a form of exploit, like in password resets where they will say 'email foo@bar.com not found' rather than 'If foo@bar exists we have sent an email to foo@bar' or some other generic equivalent

Surac 2 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

droped some source files from different languages and i could process non of them

Tiberium 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is just C2PA for Claude-processed files, apparently. It's not related to their text watermarking.

C2PA is file metadata and can be trivially stripped away, unlike hidden watermarks, e.g. SynthID.

kelvinjps10 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think all of this it's so they don't get ai generated content in their training data

applicative 7 minutes ago | parent [-]

So they do it as a free service to the other LLMs?

firefoxd 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is really fascinating. Even the AI companies have incentives to reject AI generated content. It's like they want you to use AI for everything, but they don't want AI output fed back to them.

At work, right after an AI training, we were asked to use our "authentic" voice when writing mid year reviews.

stranded22 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

Just like the tech company owners not allowing their kids access to social media…

kbrannigan 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How long before they change the terms and conditions to subtly claim ownership of your files? When you write code they already insert Co author attribution/

Say I write a text by hand And then I tell it to clean up the grammar and fix some sentences Did it make it?

warkdarrior 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

Microsoft Word has not claimed ownership in 40 years. Why would Anthropic do?

shujip 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A watermark answers "did this model touch the file?" It doesn't answer "did a person read it and stand behind it?"

Detection will get gamed, and a lot of useful text is already mixed. The more useful check, for me, is still human: would I put my name on this before it goes out?

derdaniel 33 minutes ago | parent [-]

this is going to be the big thing in the next 100 years for me. where there is a human, there will be context, passion and meaning. it's the old saying: machine can tell you what, but only humans can tell you why.

VCFundedGenYer 36 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Claude watermarks are a farce and a waste of time. It's hilarious to me that they burn cash to even entertain the idea.

Any attempts they use are defeated by a text editor and CTRL SHIFT V. Unicode characters are no new thing.

Reminds me of how people tried to argue that NFTs aren't anything more than just jpegs.

sente 33 minutes ago | parent [-]

You misunderstand how Claude watermarks things.

mr_mitm 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

TFA is talking about C2PA, a regular signature in the meta data. A lack thereof means nothing, but if it's there, the false positive rate should be near zero.

DanielHB 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, but I also think it will be trivially by-passable if you pass your output through another LLM. At least for text.

It might help catch students cheating, but not real spam-bot usage. As soon as platforms start checking for watermarks spambots will add anti-watermark passes.

doc_ick 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

I read through their earlier announcement, i don’t think it’ll be trivially by-passable without distorting the original message.

I would agree it may not help spam-bot usage, however at this case seemingly the only user detection is likely an id/badge check, which is not good.

capten 30 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Imagine telling someone they're wrong without providing any evidence or context.

dewey 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

Welcome to the internet.