You are disconnected from reality. The whole industry is already completely dominated by LLMs generating code. Bury your head in the sand all you want. This is not about low expectations or inexperience at all. Your condescending tone doesn't make you look smarter, it makes you look like an Amish who expects the industrial revolution is temporary and soon people will come to their senses and stop using all this nonsense industrial technology.

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Ariarule a day ago | parent | next [-]

A sidenote, but that is not a typical Amish opinion of technology:

"Amish do not view technology as evil, and individuals may petition for acceptance of a particular technology in the local community" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_way_of_life#Use_of_moder...

See also https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/how-the-amish-let-technol... about some Amish use of cell phones with adapters to be more payphone/landline-like and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21349989 was a discussion about the use of pneumatic machinery by the Amish.

	▲	brabel 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I know that and I am sorry if I offended anyone (would be wild to meet a real Amish here!), but that was the only example I could find that met approximately the behavior of the OP. I thought about ludites as well but that was worse still.

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Madmallard a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Yup and the industry is worse than ever.

Maybe you forgot that important tidbit?

People are using them because they're being shoved down their throats and they're complacent.

Software quality, maintainability, exploitability, morale, competency are all at all-time lows and just worsening.

It's really bad to defend this.

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imtringued a day ago | parent [-]

I spent the last 6 months reviewing all of the AI generated code primarily with gpt 5.3 codex but after I bought the subscription I also used gpt 5.5 and although I was constantly rejecting the bad code and I was mostly happy with the end result.

Then they removed the approve everything manually mode and I thought, maybe I'm the one out of touch, I should try vibe coding. I gave it a big spec of things to implement and I was pretty vague on the details, but I was kind of hoping that the AI would get it right anyway.

I noticed that when you let the AI just do its thing, you spend a lot of time staring at the screen waiting for it to finish. No wonder all these people are obsessed with parallel agents.

Anyway, after a while it produced the end result and it was pretty bad and I don't even mean the code. This was with gpt 5.6 Terra. Definitively not the type of "did a week's worth of work in one hour" type of deal.

Meanwhile if you guide it with your own technical skills the end result is a tireless code generator that operates at 80% of the quality of your own code but is only roughly 1.5x to 2x faster than doing it yourself. The biggest multipliers come from making the AI do things humans don't want to do, like writing a bunch of thorough tests but those don't translate into increased productivity, the opposite in fact. They translate into higher software quality but if you vibe the tests and don't review them, even that disappears.

	▲	vandopereira a day ago \| parent \| next [-]
		to avoid lot os problems i use kaplira to help maintain de code in boundaries and not let the agent do everything they want.
	▲	Madmallard a day ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		yes i have written a jillion lines with AI as well i'm a worse programmer now because of it