| ▲ | xvxvx 2 days ago |
| Reminds me of the story of an ex-Coca-Cola employee who offered to sell the secret recipe to Pepsi. Pepsi immediately let Coca-Cola know and it was handled. Not a good look for OpenAI. They come off as desperate and unprofessional. |
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| ▲ | asdff 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| Funny to imagine that food scientists at these companies must have cracked these recipes decades ago, and the secrecy might now only serve as a loyalty test for the uninitiated in the food and beverage guild. |
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| ▲ | Jtsummers 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| https://www.theguardian.com/media/2006/jul/07/marketingandpr... - I had only vague memories of this, but here's an article from the time about it. |
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| ▲ | vasco 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Based on all evidence so far Sam Altman has negative scruples so I'm pretty sure this would be incentivised if anything. |
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| ▲ | himata4113 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That's because pepsi already had coca-cola's secret recipe. I'm sure if they didn't have it already they would have been more than happy to at least have some knowledge before reporting it, but not like they didn't have the talent, money or technology to reverse engineer it at least a decade ago at that point. |
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| ▲ | bena 2 days ago | parent [-] | | No, it's because Pepsi isn't trying to be Coke, they're trying to be better than Coke. So having the recipe is kind of moot. Even if they were to take the recipe and publish it for all to see, you would still need all of the other machinery that is Coca-Cola to make Coca-Cola. And then you have issues of quality. Coca-Cola has certain standards, it's not a guarantee that everyone else will have those same standards. Like, people buy the expensive brand of milk despite all milk being the same. It's one ingredient. With quality standards given by the government. There is really no room for interpretation. | | |
| ▲ | himata4113 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Is this an AI response? coca-cola was replicated by one guy and confirmed in blind taste test by several other people, no magical machinery needed to make it once you know the ingredients. What about quality? That has nothing to do with it. Of course they're trying to be the better coke, that's why they tried making coke with the same color with more sugar and made the flavors stronger. | | |
| ▲ | s__s 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Coca-Cola is the only company that can legally import and process raw coca leaves into a flavoring agent. It’s literally impossible to duplicate their exact recipe. | | |
| ▲ | einsteinx2 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | If you live in the US sure. I live in a Latin American country where it’s legal to buy coca leaves (cocaine is illegal obviously, but the leaves aren’t and are commonly sold in health food stores of all places for tea). | |
| ▲ | browningstreet 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Stepan Company, actually. But you’re right that Coca-Cola is the exclusive buyer. | |
| ▲ | jjtheblunt 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | where did you find that? (super interesting) | | |
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| ▲ | bena 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | The “machinery” being the marketing, distribution, and general scale, not the physical vats used to mix it. Even if you could replicate the exact flavor, you’d still need to do it at scale and get it into stores and convince people to buy it. As to “just make it yourself”, everyone can make a sandwich, Jersey Mike’s and several other sandwich shops exist successfully. | | |
| ▲ | himata4113 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I don't know if you have seen it, but the recipe is 1:1 of what cocacola is, scientifically proven. (Altho it tastes closer to original cola since replicating coca 1:1 is impossible) | | |
| ▲ | bena 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Are you actually reading my responses? I’m saying the formula is immaterial. It’s also about being able to produce at scale, market, and distribute. |
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| ▲ | lofaszvanitt 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | So how come mango flavoured Pepsi is nowhere to be found? They get you hooked on a good flavour, and then, bam, they take it away. |
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| ▲ | jmclnx 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Not really OpenAI but today's society. I say this started with the "just do it and ask for forgiveness later" attitude that started maybe 20 or 30 years ago. At one time most people had respect, even people at the top, now many people just do what they want. Plus most of the time they get away with it. |
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| ▲ | ViktorRay 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | One could make the argument that "just do it and ask for forgiveness later" is what the entire LLM industry is based on. They swallowed up all of society’s copyrighted texts without really asking for permission from anyone. This is just par for the course for them it seems unfortunately. | | |
| ▲ | jimnotgym 2 days ago | parent [-] | | One could argue that it is what Trevithick did to make better steam engines, or what Cisco did with routers. Or countless others. IP theft can really pay off. |
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| ▲ | baxtr 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Well the asking for forgiveness part is also missing in this case, entirely. | | |
| ▲ | everybodyknows 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | It's actually forbidden, by advice of legal counsel, because in court the other side would present it as evidence of knowing culpability. | |
| ▲ | ted_dunning 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | In legal speak "please forgive me" is pronounced "so sue me!" |
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| ▲ | doodlebugging 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | We can fix this by holding each other accountable. Peer pressure and community sanctions of bad actors will result in the changes we need. | | |
| ▲ | Jtsummers 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > Peer pressure and community sanctions of bad actors will result in the changes we need. It's been demonstrated over centuries that this is unreliable. We end up needing a third party (commonly governments) to step in and establish rules and referee behavior. We wouldn't have an EPA, FCC, SEC, or many other organizations and laws if private actors could successfully police themselves. | | |
| ▲ | doodlebugging 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Private actors are inevitably part of groups. Those groups need to hold the individual members accountable. That obviously doesn't work any more in SV among wealth-obsessed tech-bros. It still works in other parts of the economy though. |
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| ▲ | blitzar 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Guessing you haven't take the HR training - thats not allowed anymore. | | |
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