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| ▲ | Tuna-Fish 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| We unfortunately have not found a way to turn our kleptokratic dictatorship neighbor into one. The greatest failure of the past 20 years was the belief that if we open up trade and grow rich together, rational self-interest will lead to liberalization and peace. Instead, it just gave our enemies more resources to spend on self-destructive imperialist ambitions. |
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| ▲ | lenerdenator 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Same story as always: the goal sounded nice, but no one wanted to do the actual work. |
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| ▲ | bryanlarsen 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The "Golden Arches Theory of Conflict Prevention" has been broken 4 times: - NATO v Yugoslavia 1999
- India v Pakistan 1999
- Russia v Georgia 2008
- Russia v Ukraine 2014, 2022 |
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| ▲ | benxh 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | NATO v Yugoslavia 1999 is not like the others | |
| ▲ | fifilura 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What is the denominator? I.e. how many times did it prevent war? | | |
| ▲ | bluGill 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | There is no way no know. Any number is an acceptable answer. For a good answer you can find lots of reasoning/logic/history to justify your guess, but it is still a guess. | | |
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| ▲ | enaaem 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Only with rational actors. But do not underestimate the stupidity of leaders who thought it would be easy. |
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| ▲ | jayd16 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| So is the US not democratic enough, not rich enough or not free market enough? |
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| ▲ | fifilura 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | In case of war privilieges, your president can act as a dictator. At least the first 90 days, unless he finds a way to reset those days. | |
| ▲ | enaaem 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Also a very Christian nation that follows the teachings of Jesus. | |
| ▲ | BurningFrog 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I can't think of any rich free market democracies the US has fought wars against. | | |
| ▲ | jayd16 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The trick is to destabilize their democracies first. | | | |
| ▲ | dghlsakjg 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Well, as long as they’re poor free market democracies, it’s a mulligan, right? Bonus points if you use special ops or intelligence agencies to kick it off so it doesn’t count as a war. |
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| ▲ | c0balt 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This might have to be put into the context that they do in fact move the conflict over resources to economic wars. They also actively engage in wars over ressources when they think they can win outside of MAD, see U. S. vs Iran. Economic warfare also does in fact kill people. Denying a population, e. g., Cuba, the ability to access medicine/food kills humans just as well as a bullet in the long term. There are various other ways this causes suffering. Different forms of warfare are still warfare, even if you don't to hold a gun for all of them. Being "rich" also requires someone else to be "poor". |
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| ▲ | fifilura 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Perfect is the enemy of good. Market democracy is not perfect but it solves 90% of the problems we'd have otherwise. | |
| ▲ | cucumber3732842 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >Economic warfare also does in fact kill people. Denying a population, e. g., Cuba, the ability to access medicine/food kills humans just as well as a bullet in the long term. Deny them jobs, investment that could create jobs and paths to prosperity. Give them drugs. Shocked Pikachu when they don't like you. Edit: Revised language to be more broadly applicable. |
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| ▲ | owebmaster 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Now we just need to figure out how to stop rich free market democracies from invading and bombing poorer countries |
