It's not really the same thing. I really do not at all understand why folks see any sort of military intervention that isn't over in 5 minutes as "the next Vietnam". Venezuela was going to be the next Vietnam too. It's like "the next 2008" all over again espoused as a traumatic, quasi-religious point of view. Rather interesting from a cultural evolution standpoint - seems to be that some folks can't shake a trauma so they just keep going back to it even when it's no longer important or relevant for current decision making or situations.

The public being against the war is just about where the comparison between the war in Iran and Vietnam loses meaning.

The United States doesn't need to depose the current Iranian government on its own. An economic blockade could do that, or at worst simply deprive the Iranian government of the means to financially carry out war. As Iran is now finding out, the Strait wasn't quite the leverage that they, and pundits and internet commentators thought it was, and now the US isn't even interested in negotiating which is causing Iran to lash out. It'll be a slow, but certain death to the economy and such an event and blame rests squarely on the shoulders of those in charge of Iran and their idiotic and undemocratic beliefs. The world can't be held hostage and won't be. Though of course the fact that the United States yet again has to go police the world is a bit like a reservoir that slowly refills. There's only so much we're going to be able to do and we're seeing ongoing populist MAGA and DSA backlash against the war. The next crises the US may not be able to respond to politically and then we're in relationship trouble.

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ceejayoz 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> An economic blockade could do that, or at worst simply deprive the Iranian government of the means to financially carry out war.

This sounds like the sort of "quasi-religious point of view" you're slamming, considering it's been tried repeatedly already without great success.

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ericmay 11 hours ago | parent [-]

No, it doesn't sound like that.

We haven't ever tried this level of economic isolation with Iran. The closest would be North Korea. If you wanted to attempt to make it sound as though I was parroting a quasi-religious point of view, you would want to argue (which I haven't because it's incorrect) that I'm looking at what happened with North Korea (a regime that exists to terrorize the world thanks to communist regimes in China and the Soviet Union) and that I'm saying all blockades or economic sanctions will work just like that, which is, of course, nonsense, just as comparing Iran to Vietnam today is.

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ceejayoz 10 hours ago | parent [-]

> The closest would be North Korea.

This is your best example? The now nuclear power that's resisted the approach you advocate since the 1950s?

See? Quasi-religious.

	▲	ericmay 9 hours ago \| parent [-]
		No that's incorrect - what would be quasi religious and similar to this obsession with Vietnam would be for me or someone else to use North Korea's economic isolation as an example in the same strong fashion. I'd encourage you to re-read my comment to see how I drew that distinction.

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NetMageSCW 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How’s that working against Russia?

	▲	ericmay 11 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Pretty well I think? Are you up to date with the Russian economic situation? Or are you suggesting the EU and US stop sanctions since they aren't effective?