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ApolloFortyNine 5 hours ago

Imo if you compare what Google does to the one other mobile OS manufacturer with any users, claiming Google should be fined is something like the cop pulling you over for going 8 over the speed limit while Apple is doing triple digits and just ran two people over.

'Why not both' is an argument, but clear as day what Apple does is worse. There's no alternative.

Xirdus 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Your reasoning shows why it's so much harder to fix a duopoly than to fix a monopoly. If there was no Apple then Google would get its comeuppance. If there was no Google then Apple would get its comeuppance. But because we have both Google and Apple, we can't punish either.

The mathematician in me wants to solve the problem of the duopoly by first reducing it to a monopoly, which we have known solutions for.

superxpro12 2 hours ago | parent [-]

oligopolies are just as bad.

Xirdus an hour ago | parent [-]

They're worse. See above.

devsda 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We both agree that there is a speed limit and it needs to be adhered to, regardless of who it is.

The problem with Google is that it may have started at 8 over the limit, but it advertised itself as sticking to the limit but always hovered slightly above it pushing the boundaries. This has skewed our perception into believing that Google's was acceptable and we have been gradually raising our threshold itself to a dangerous level.

Now Google is not too far behind Apple that it can't catch up.

dotancohen 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Give it up. Stop defending your position when it's been pointed out that you are holding the two companies to two different standards. It's all right to admit you were wrong and learn something, even on the internet.

megagpt3 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

How do you know what standard he is holding Apple to? This thread is about Google and Apple was not mentioned.

fc417fc802 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

On the contrary, defending Google by bringing up Apple in this context is about as cut and dry as whataboutism gets. What Google is doing is wrong, full stop. Anything else is in addition to and also irrelevant.

dmos62 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> 'Why not both' is an argument, but clear as day what Apple does is worse. There's no alternative.

'Just start somewhere, anywhere, please' is another argument.

stavros 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Ironically, Apple allows alternate app stores in the EU now, while Google is moving to disallow them everywhere.

gumby271 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't think Google is moving to disallow them, it's more that the EU said that it's fine for Apple to still own app notarization / developer verification even outside of Apple's app store. Google saw this and said, cool, we'll add that to Android too so we can also get our (undeserved) cut outside of the Play Store. I can install F-Droid or anything else, but if they dont submit papers to Google, I get a big scary warning when I install it (I get the same scary warning if a developer distributes apps through F-Droid, but doesn't verify with Google, which is ridiculous too). On iOS if I don't submit to Apple I cant do anything.

It all sucks, and I'm not saying this is a good thing. But Google and Apple are both trying to position themselves as not having monopolies on store fronts, while still forcing notarization and verification to run through them independent of the store being used. And the EU seems fine with this for some insane reason. Google isn't trying to be worse than Apple, they're trying to match Apple.