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wmichelin 19 hours ago

This debate is irrelevant. It doesn't matter. Having the idea and the skills to dictate a stable piece of software are all that matter.

There is no point in taking pride in typing out lines of code by hand. The entire world is moving on.

jephs 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Of course there's a point in it, don't be a boor.

Any act of making can be treated as product, as craft, or as art. You'll find yourself taking all three stances at different points. Any engineer or artisan or artist can choose to pour their attention and love into any layer of the production process.

I like ceramics. I like wheel throwing. Once upon a time, the pottery wheel was a newfangled technique for rapid and regular production of commodity goods. Same with coil building, same with slip casting, same with standardization of glaze recipes, gas and electric kilns, all of it.

But I know people who choose to quarry and purify their own clay, or to mix their own glazes, or to fire their pieces in a hole in the ground dug by hand with a fire they built by hand. I know people who make dozens of identical copies of just a few forms, after they spend months iterating on carving intricate molds. I know people who will spend a whole season working on a single hand-built bust.

And none of these people have ever, to my knowledge, expressed scorn for any of the others, for focusing on a different step in the process.

bayindirh 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The problem is not the emittance of code by a statistical black box.

It’s not even knowing how it works or even what it used to achieve the desired result.

You wrote it or not, that’s your code. You are the one responsible. The machine has no brain. Use yours.

Citizen_Lame 17 hours ago | parent [-]

That may be, but if I come back to the old project I didn't touch in months, code may as well be written by an alien.

bayindirh 16 hours ago | parent [-]

I can return to my 5+ year old code and start hacking in 30 minutes or so. I believe it boils down to documentation and comments.