| ▲ | genxy a day ago |
| ADHD also evolutionary advantages, so there is unlikely to be a single gene that encodes for it. |
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| ▲ | wredcoll a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| Evo-psych is impossible to falsify. |
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| ▲ | Quarrel a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What are they? Are there papers on this? |
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| ▲ | steve_adams_86 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | There are only papers which suggest this could be true, none that conclusively prove it. That I’m aware of. There are some cool studies done where people with a without ADHD are tasked to forage berries. The people with ADHD do better and adhere to foraging patterns which existing theories suggest would be more optimal. A lot of the studies like that indicate the individual with the condition might benefit more from ADHD than the group they’re in, but I’m not sure that studies have explored group benefits very much. There’s an often cited paper in which nomadic men who carry a certain ADHD-related allele (DRD4-7R, a dopamine reception variant with ADHD traits and novelty seeking) tend to have better nutritional status. I can’t recall much about it or how high quality it is. | | |
| ▲ | Weryj 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | I’ve always thought, it’s not absurd to think there different development routes which the brain takes depending on the environment it develops in. With your foraging example, it does make me think ADHD is a small group/individual optimisation. Prioritising high vigilance and individual productivity over social cohesion. I speak with no authority. I don’t even know how such a theory could be tested. | | |
| ▲ | thaumasiotes 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | > I’ve always thought, it’s not absurd to think there different development routes which the brain takes depending on the environment it develops in. What do you think nutritional stunting means? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stunted_growth | | |
| ▲ | Weryj 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don’t mean from a nutritional standpoint, but a behavioural perspective. Smaller groups would have an higher percentage of responsibility per individual to be vigilant and proactive. It would make sense to me that evolutionary there would be different mental development paths depending on the requirements of their situation. This is coming from my understanding that ADHD is more prevalent in stressful upbringings. | | |
| ▲ | psd1 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | If adhd is heritable, then the stressful upbringing could be symptomatic of the parent's condition instead of causal. |
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| ▲ | wao0uuno 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | A psychiatrist told me that people with ADHD perform better under extreme pressure and chaos. No idea if that's true. Personally I don't even think of ADHD as a deficiency. It's just a trait that is not compatible with modern society and workplace. | | |
| ▲ | animal531 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | A common meme you'll see on ADHD in online posts are about how people with it are perfectly calm during emergencies, but then when any inconsequential thing happens such as e.g. breaking a shoelace and they'll just unravel and/or take forever to deal with it. | |
| ▲ | hirvi74 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There might be a correlation, but I doubt causation. I would argue people with ADHD, like myself, tend to end up in situations where extreme pressure and chaos is more common. Thus, we have more exposure than the average person. I imagine it can be a trainable trait in many people. | | |
| ▲ | tccole 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, I think this is the key point. I am better at handling chaos because I grew up around chaos (my mom has adhd and so do I) so I am much better at handling things falling apart. |
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| ▲ | idnexjwnfodnn 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't know about papers but I had a doctor tell me they are overrepresented among snipers in the military. ADD could be an advantage to hunting. | | |
| ▲ | bmacho 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | Or ADD just sucks there less than in other areas. Like being physically weak is not an advantage in white collar jobs. |
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| ▲ | erlich 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | ChatGPT's take was that 10 ADHD people/animals would go exploring and if one produced a new source of food then it would be advantageous for the group, but the other 9 could fail and be completely useless. A bit like venture capital funds haha. So there is still room for complete failure in life, and maybe its a lot of luck/environment that some ADHD people succeed naturally. |
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| ▲ | akoboldfrying a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| 1. How is it advantageous? 2. Assuming it really is: Why would this make it unlikely to be encoded on a single gene? As a layman, the only condition I'm aware of with this "downside but also upside" quality is sickle cell anaemia (downside is anaemia, upside is increased resistance to malaria), which is decided by a single nucleotide change on chromosome 11. |
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| ▲ | timster6442 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Am biologist and keeping genes that are "advantageous" is the most common trap that people fall into about evolution. Evolution isint actually about keep advantageous traits the real idea is about differences in reproductive success, not about evolution systematically preserving only traits that are beneficial to the individual. In fact Darwin's theory of evolution is kind of outdated as well. We now understand genetic drift and things like the neutral theory of molecular evolution from moto kimura and the nearly neutral theory of evolution from tomoko ohta may give some sort of explanation to polygenic nature of adhd. | |
| ▲ | ipsod 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sometimes the upside is just being different. I heard about a group of cattle, and one of them was ill, while the others feasted. The feed was tainted, and so only the sick one survived. Though, with ADHD, I think it's definitely more than that. It doesn't just make it hard to focus, it makes it hard to focus on what you need to, until the moment that it is obviously now or never. Focus, though - there's tons of that, flitting about, and sometimes grabbing you up and running away with you - sometimes for months. I would imagine that there are a lot of novel discoveries attributable to it. | |
| ▲ | thaumasiotes 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > As a layman, the only condition I'm aware of with this "downside but also upside" quality is sickle cell anaemia Essentially all traits that you might think of as "traits" and not "features of the species" have downsides and also upsides. Where there's any significant imbalance, the genes for that trait will be purged from the gene pool (if the trait is basically all negatives) or sweep to become universal (if all positives). | |
| ▲ | ndsipa_pomu 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | By seeking out novelty, someone could be a more effective forager or better able to spot predators/prey hiding. ADHD often comes with a high attention to detail, so there's lots of advantages that could come with that (e.g. that twig wasn't broken before, something has passed through here). Also, having different sleeping patterns can mean that the people with ADHD are likely better equipped to keep a fire burning overnight and possibly be alert for predators. | | |
| ▲ | hackable_sand 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This isn't funny | |
| ▲ | hirvi74 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > ADHD often comes with a high attention to detail Per the DSM-5, one of the core symptoms of ADHD: "often fails to give close attention to details or makes careless mistakes in schoolwork, work, or other activities | | |
| ▲ | ndsipa_pomu 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, it's both a lack of attention to details in "boring" tasks and an exceptional attention to details in "interesting" tasks. | | |
| ▲ | hirvi74 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think there is a conflation between attention and attention to details. I understand attention control can vary depending on the engagement value of a task. I have experienced the condition my entire life, I am well aware. I am not aware of any data that supports being interested in a task lessens the likelihood of making mistakes. If you have any data, I will gladly read it. |
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