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soulofmischief a day ago

If only the DNC was interested in promoting candidates that work for the people and aren't just interested in lip service while mostly maintaining the status quo. Things could have been different. Imagine what 8 years of Bernie and a functioning Congress might have accomplished.

andrewflnr a day ago | parent | next [-]

That "functioning Congress" requirement is doing a lot of the work in that claim, and no single election result would make that happen.

soulofmischief a day ago | parent [-]

I didn't make that claim, you misread what I said. I explicitly mentioned a functioning Congress because that's a necessity, a functioning executive branch is not enough. We are in agreement.

andrewflnr a day ago | parent [-]

We're in agreement, so what did I misread? :D The point is, there's not some realistic, single-point "if only" scenario where "things could have been different", because the problem is largely Congress.

mafuy 11 hours ago | parent [-]

You misread/missed "Imagine".

andrewflnr 7 hours ago | parent [-]

No. The "imagine" is only an elaboration on the (rather more definite) "things could have been different" claim, which I already contend is a fantasy. I mean, sure, I could also "imagine" a world where America throws out its corrupt and/or stupid politicians all at once and replaces them with sensible people, but it would be of similar plausibility and utility.

soulofmischief 6 hours ago | parent [-]

It's called a hypothetical, not a fantasy, and it is a device used to ground the discussion by giving us a baseline for comparison. I don't think this is a very useful discussion if we're going to talk past each other and not assume the best possible interpretation of each other's words.

andrewflnr 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I know what a hypothetical is. An utterly unrealistic hypothetical is more distracting than grounding.

I don't think we're exactly talking past each other. I think the problem is that you've misdiagnosed the problem as, like you said in another comment, "a malfunctioning executive branch", and don't realize the full scale of Congress's culpability. I honestly thought you would know what I was talking about regarding the feasibility of a "functioning Congress", but you apparently just think that's an important but trivial detail to mention. Woops.

Almost all the major problems either stem from or could at least be mitigated by Congress doing its job. This became very clear on the micro level when I worked in the federal government, but as far as I can tell it's true at all scales. Here's a macro example: a functioning Congress would have removed Trump many times over.

coldpie a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Agreed. But on the topic of antitrust specifically, Lina Khan was absolutely doing the work, and Biden 100% deserves credit for appointing her. He could've chosen some do-nothing loser like everyone before him did, but he chose Khan.

soulofmischief a day ago | parent [-]

I agree, it was a great move.

However, it's generally hard for me to give Biden much credit for anything, however, given his own and his party's general complicity with decades of genocide and apartheid in Palestine. Same for Harris.

That and oversight of many more atrocities also carried forth by his predecessors really puts a damper on any good deed and make it hard to buy into any narrative of authenticity when it comes to politics that benefit human beings.

I also generally think Bernie would have played hardball on antitrust and given what we got with Biden, I'd prefer to have seen what Bernie could have done with the time.

dexterdog a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You had me until Bernie

soulofmischief a day ago | parent [-]

Which candidate would you have preferred?

SR2Z a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Terrible narrative. Lina Khan under Biden was more than willing to go after big companies. She was forced out because the American people voted Trump into office.

Eight years of Sanders would have left us with a far more gridlocked country. The man has virtually no political talent.

handedness a day ago | parent | next [-]

Some argue gridlock is a feature, not a bug. I'm of two minds about it, but I understand the appeal.

soulofmischief a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I love Lina Khan as much as the next guy. But as you've already pointed out, it's kind of pointless if the fundamental problem is a malfunctioning executive branch (and a federal government with far too much power). But I'm going to need receipts on your claims about eight years of Sanders.

SR2Z 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I can't prove a negative but consider that winning the Democratic primary requires convincing a bunch of left-of-center voters to support your plan.

Sanders couldn't do that. How do you think he would have fared with Republicans?

He's never passed a significant bill of his own and focuses on renaming post offices.

The man has no political skill. As president he would have been a disaster.

soulofmischief 6 hours ago | parent [-]

> The man has no political skill

This is what I take issue with. It's a heavy enough accusation that it needs receipts. It needs proper framing on why exactly the benchmarks you've listed are important for delineating political skill and why other benchmarks are not.

Computer0 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

>The man has virtually no political talent.

More unique individual people donated to his primary efforts than any other candidate in history. Wouldn't this be indicative of some large amount of political talent?

dylan604 a day ago | parent [-]

I think people grossly underestimate "money is speech" that is spent by corporate interests. PACs and SuperPACs are something I've just never understood how their donations are not just bribes

dexterdog 10 hours ago | parent [-]

That is precisely what they are

lII1lIlI11ll 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Imagine 8 years of Bernie

As a person who was born in the Soviet Union I can easily imagine that...

joquarky 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Hyperbolic.