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Ask HN: What would happen if your company stopped using all AI tomorrow?
36 points by jc_811 a day ago | 71 comments

This is something I’ve been turning over in my head lately. I’m not denying AI is being used everywhere, but I don’t know if it’s actually helping businesses overall. If we shut it all down it seems that businesses would be fine (and maybe even better since there’d be no token burning budgets).

wax66 a day ago | parent | next [-]

Pretty much nothing. We'd remove the AI integrations, the UI elements, then back to where we were. Luckily, we have no load bearing AI.

But if everyone else got to keep their AI, we'd lose customers very quickly.

joshuamoyers a day ago | parent | next [-]

so ironic to see “load bearing” in a comment about removing AI. certain phrases have been ruined by fable/opus 5 for all time.

sixothree a day ago | parent [-]

I had this conversation recently. Not only are search engines and comment threads getting filled with AI responses, but people are increasingly sounding like AI themselves. This makes it even harder to distinguish.

Related to code quality, I've noticed developers picking up tricks from AI. Like using feature/xxxxx as the branch name. Last year exactly zero developers used this convention. If any used paths in their branches, it was almost certainly their name. Now everyone uses this convention. Though, they do use correct capitalization instead of lowercase freaking _everything_ that AI does.

distances a day ago | parent | next [-]

What. Strict branch naming like feature/, bugfix/, chore/, release/ has been the standard for probably 10 years now in all projects I've been in, often enforced by auto-rejecting pushes that don't comply.

johnsuder 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I've used that style in 3 different companies over the last 10 years and I assumed the technique was ubiquitous. This just goes to show the standard deviation in engineering culture is high. There are some large bodies of water but also lots and lots of little isolated tide pools.

croon 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, we've had our CI only run pipelines on proper branch prefixes for many years, so if you for whatever reason had a wip/branch you wouldn't clog up our runners.

vips7L a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Never used it in any of the projects I’ve been on.

sixothree 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And now that pattern is even more popular. I'm glad you were here first though. Because that's special isn't it.

ben_w 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Related to code quality, I've noticed developers picking up tricks from AI. Like using feature/xxxxx as the branch name. Last year exactly zero developers used this convention.

Huh.

I've been using that convention for ages, but I have to remind Claude on new projects to actually use git in the first place, and then also specifically tell it to use branches.

Then again, I was using em-dashes before they got un-cool.

MiscCompFacts a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think this comes from Conventional Branching, https://conventionalbranch.org, inspired by conventional commits (e.g. https://www.conventionalcommits.org/en/v1.0.0/)

rawling a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've been using it at work since we moved from TF source control to TF-Git, close to a decade ago. feature/ticketno, release/number and user/initials/...

TF at least gave a nice folder view on the branches screen, which we've lost now we've moved to GitHub, but it has made it easier to enforce.

sixothree 20 hours ago | parent [-]

I think gitkraken is the only tool I use that presents it that way currently. It's a good convention.

dv_dt 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Feat/ or dev-initials/ or fix/ all very common pre-ai in my companies

HeyLaughingBoy a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think this is just a Jira/bitbucket thing. If you add a feature branch, that's how the naming convention defaults. I've been seeing it for years.

jaredsohn 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Linear does this, too. It provides a button that copies a branch name to the clipboard based on the ticket id/name.

sixothree a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I assumed the convention came from somewhere before AI and maybe one of the new devs brought it in from there. We also have an analyst who used em-dashes before AI ruined them, and who justifiably complains about that every so often. I'm not sure that's a trend anyone wants to pick up on.

But for branches in addition to Feature/, we're seeing Hotfix/, Modernization/, you name it. If you're parking branches for a long time without completing them, I'm 100% appreciative they're categorized.

WorldMaker a day ago | parent [-]

The original git flow suggestion [0] was posted more than 15 years ago (date on the post is 2010). It didn't entirely invent the branch names/conventions from whole cloth, it was based on plenty of prior history in SVN spaces especially, which it picked up from CVS.

(Personally, for long term parked branches I prefer `{username/dev name}/` branches because then you know who the owner is without having to look at the commit log and guess based on recent commit authors. But that's the fun thing about branching conventions, there are so many to choose from, many of which have been around forever.)

[0] https://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/

spacechild1 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Like using feature/xxxxx as the branch name. Last year exactly zero developers used this convention.

People have been doing this for years.

bluefirebrand a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> Like using feature/xxxxx as the branch name. Last year exactly zero developers used this convention.

The AI learned it from somewhere though, it didn't come up with it on its own

bko a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

None of your engineers use AI to develop the product? Seems hard to believe

AnimalMuppet 20 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't think that's what they said. They said they could remove AI from the workflow without much disruption.

mancerayder a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>Luckily, we have no load bearing AI.

Is this a subtle joke?

notahacker 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You're absolutely right! Honestly? It's not just a joke, it's a smoking gun.

rl3 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>Is this a subtle joke?

Proper weight distribution is critical in determining where the seams are.

sixothree a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Pretty much same. We only use it for internal projects when coding and for research for all team members, not just developers.

chuckgreenman a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I would guess that AI has given me a 30% improvement in pace? I don't know, it would feel like riding a bike on level ground instead of downhill

VariousPrograms a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The effort required to do most jobs has gone down and so has the output quality. Rather than doing the same quality work with less effort, some people use LLMs to produce minimum-quality work at minimum effort.

LLMs are a cool tool but we’re over-encouraging use in every domain, even tasks they’re not good at. Every tech company in the world seems to be getting rich though how can I possibly say things would be better without it?

gtirloni 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Is that what's happening in _your_ company?

deterministic 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> and so has the output quality

Not my experience at all. The quality has gone up dramatically. Because we also use LLMs to make large scale refactorings that cleans up the code and use it to find lots of bugs that would otherwise have exploded in production at some point in time.

croon 11 hours ago | parent [-]

I just used Fable to thoroughly review a PR, and it came up with 5 "Findings that block approval".

I went through each one through the code path (a couple were already considered during implementation), and while all 5 were theoretically accurate, 0 of them were actually reachable.

I wrote them back to Claude point by point and got this back: "I checked all five claims against the code. Your list is correct on all five. I downgrade my verdict: none of the five findings blocks approval. Details and one subtlety below."

This is a usual experience with SOTA models for me and others in my team.

Don't get me wrong, I use it daily; sometimes as a crutch, other times as an accelerator, mostly as a validator/peace of mind. I however don't think that neither velocity or quality is meaningfully changed. But I do spend much more time arguing with a machine.

pranit1 8 hours ago | parent [-]

This!! the amount of times that has happened to me in PR. A lot of the times its my fault as I haven't given the agent all of the context ( sometimes intentionally to cross check if it would reach to the same conclusion as me without additional info) but as soon as I give it all the context it would then back track on most of the blockers.

vips7L a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’d have to stop interacting with meat proxies and wouldn’t have to read copy pasted LLM text.

chrisra a day ago | parent [-]

I have the same feeling but don't really know why. Why do I dislike reading LLM text so much? Weird

vips7L a day ago | parent | next [-]

IMO it’s because LLM text doesn’t really say anything. It’s 600% more text and paragraphs for things that could be said in 1 sentence.

croon 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't hate it if it's text I asked for, in which case it's also easier to glance through looking for the points relevant to the topic.

I hate it if the assumption is that I'm communicating with a human, and I then get hit with a wall of text that I have to decipher the context behind. I'd rather read the prompt then.

glawre a day ago | parent | prev [-]

It uses 50 words when 10 would do.

al_borland 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We’d save a lot of time not sitting on calls while managers show us the results of their brainstorming sessions with Claude. Instead we could focus on making the products better again.

Arya_xiaofan 18 hours ago | parent [-]

To be fair, if the managers are hands-on, those conversations with Claude might actually be useful.

al_borland 17 hours ago | parent [-]

So far, they’ve largely been a distraction. They don’t have enough domain knowledge for it to be useful, so it’s full of a bunch of stuff we don’t have and won’t buy. It also has a tendency to balloon the scope.

DerArzt 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Several people would have their incompetence more visible.

trueno 2 hours ago | parent [-]

this and i think a lot of "leaders" would go back to being quiet. they're quite emboldened to be in everyone's business these days seems like they're smoking a ton of "you're absolutely right to challenge engineering/architect teams here..."

BroCoder 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I would stop coming up with sk many ideas that AI isn't great at helping me finish.

nitwit005 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm fairly confident our management has managed to spend more on failed or pointless AI efforts than AI could produce in benefits.

If you tell every manager they need to show some sort of success with AI, you get a lot of projects that don't make sense, which then quietly die, and the process repeats.

_menelaus a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We're an app dev agency so we would inflate our costs and timelines by 5x and we'd never win another bid.

oldsklgdfth a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I generally agree that the business does not see increased productivity and revenue from AI, if it does it is small enough to be within error.

That said, if everyone (not just devs) came in and there was no AI, the org would come to a halt. AI is load-bearing in my company. Everything from dev, code reviews, planning, doc writing, ops heavily uses AI. I mean heavily, there are dev that would not know where to start triaging an alarm without the robots. Same with customer service. So much of the human capital has leaked out of peoples' brains that is fair to compare it to brain drain.

Realistically, it would be painful for 1-3 months. People would go to teams with AI. A year from now, leadership is gonna have a hard time justifying keeping the lights out.

It is akin to asking "what would happen if your company stopped using the internet(to look things up)".

SipitenoMK 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s impossible now, I would need to hire more homosapiens and there is a shortage of them. I use local models, so AI is equal to human time, human brain. It’s new reality for us

conmod278 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In support, we chuck in the logs and get detailed analysis of possible problems and causes. AI based support request handling has been literally Godsend.

plur9 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We'd probably do a career change, writing blogs and aspiring to become influencers on Tiktok or something. :)

jpgvm a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We would probably be fine, but much slower.

However if everyone else stopped using AI we would be broke, so please don't do that.

vbwml a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Productivity would go up and most people apart from 5% addicts would rejoice.

gottagocode a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hotfixes would go down by probably 50 to 60%. On a bi-weekly release rotation it was not abnormal to see 4 to 5 hot fix versions. In the past year, however, it is not uncommon to do 15 hotfix builds per release.

Jeremy1026 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'd have to do more manual work, but nothing major would happen. We don't use AI in our product at all.

idopmstuff a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

One-man show here - I own a dozen small e-commerce brands. I'll assume you're just taking away AI, but not the tools I've built with AI.

I've got all kinds of useful tools that do helpful things, like check to make sure Amazon hasn't lost a bunch of my inventory or suddenly deindexed my product from search. These sorts of things happen without warning from time to time and are trivially fixable if you catch them, but you have to be constantly monitoring 10 different things to catch anything that could go wrong in a timely fashion.

I've similarly got an inventory/cashflow management system that's deterministic that would be fine, but some of my other tools, like one that scrapes my Alibaba/WeChat/Whatsapp/Gmail supplier convos to keep my order status board updated, is finicky. I wouldn't be able to repair that once it broke.

For some tasks, I'd have to go back to freelancers. At this point, when I take over a new brand and want to refresh images or want to A/B test new ones with an existing brand, I can do that entirely with image gen. No AI would just send me back to Upwork.

For other tasks, I'd just have to do them myself. Right now when I acquire a brand, I have a Claude skill that runs through all of the Amazon search and ads reports to find the key search terms, analyzes the text of the listing and proposes updates to make sure we're hitting the ones that matter. I used to do that myself, but it takes somewhere between 2-10 hours depending how many products we're talking about.

The biggest loss would be the inability to expand. I started out just buying Amazon-only brands because Amazon provides a crazy amount of infrastructure that enables me to run a lot of them by myself. My most recent acquisition came with a Shopify site that had minimal sales plus a Meta ad account the guy who sold me the brand had done a little experimentation with. A year ago, I would've just discarded those, since my time is the biggest bottleneck. It takes a lot of time to run your own site and Meta ads, so it makes more sense for me not to bother and instead just make more Amazon-only acquisitions.

But now I'm having a great time really pushing Claude and ChatGPT to do most of the work. I redesigned the site more or less by just having ChatGPT do research on competitors and best practices, then having Claude run with that. That took maybe eight total hours of work.

I'm spinning up an enormous amount of creative to test on Meta, and I had ChatGPT research and spec all of the kinds of landing pages that are worth trying. Claude implemented them and set up the ads using Meta's ads APIs. I got all of that done yesterday.

So yeah, basically if I couldn't use AI any more, I'd get back to the original thesis of my business, which is buying small brands at reasonable prices and operating them as leanly as possible. It still works, but it'd be a lot less fun and profitable.

mrdependable a day ago | parent [-]

Off topic, but where do you find these brands to buy?

idopmstuff a day ago | parent [-]

Flippa, Empire Flippers and to a lesser degree Quiet Light Brokerage

metchio 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

- Code quality would go up - Code quantity would go down - Discussions online will feel normal again - Email threads will become burdersome again

OJFord a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

'all AI', or just all LLMs/coding assistants? It would be hugely disruptive to the world if no businesses could do any machine learning any more.

anonzzzies a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My new business would instantly die, my old business (30+ years) would barely notice; those clients ain’t going nowhere.

RadixIO 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It would result in higher quality and lesser quantity which would be better for good

p_l a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Honestly?

I could theoretically maintain my output, yes.

Practically nope, not because I can't do the work without AI, as much as because of burnout - both from technical (Ansible, Python - neither are a thing I like using) and social (dealing with corpospeak) reasons.

leros a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nothing in our product runs on AI but productivity would slow down for sure.

purple_wow a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

All our devs would lose it. They will be lost

wolrah a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The only thing we use large models (they are not fucking AI, never will be, and calling them that only supports the hype nonsense) for in actual production is voicing generic IVR messages and such. If we lost that we'd go back to having to record them ourselves. Whoopdeedoo.

Other than that, interacting with my boss would become less stupid (or at least be his own variety of it instead of ChatGPT's variety of stupid) and nothing meaningful would change.

Everyone who's saying that they wouldn't get anything done at all, you're already doomed and I can't wait to watch the collapse after this crap has ruined so much.

dosisking a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Code quality would definitely go up.

deterministic 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I would cry a lot. I love my Claude Code :)

But other than that nothing really.

cactacea a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Total collapse, idiot managers already fired everyone that knew how anything worked and now they're completely fucked. Frankly I have no idea how I've managed to hang on this long but likely to be gone myself in a few weeks as well.

pixel_popping a day ago | parent [-]

Just curious, chaos and morality aside, the company finances are doing better or worse?

pixel_popping a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Personally I would be lost, because we've implemented everything around AI, more than a year ago with the assumption that models will keep getting better so the importance of building the tooling around it is capital and we've made the right choice, now close to ALL issues and features and customer requests are automatically solved.

The main issue I see is that currently managing 70 repos would just be physically impossible without re-hiring people versus like now with 8 monitors in grid and averaging 32 threads (4 per monitor) and being a bot for 10 hours a day, saturating about 20 subscriptions (mix Anthropic, OpenAI, Google, Xiaomi, Minimax...) in total currently using our own tools, about $100K equivalent in token a month.

While I loved the era of before, I would genuinely be instantly depressed to go back to it knowing that the problematics have completely shifted, this isn't a 20% improvement or something, it's straight 10x increase (at least lately) and I'm quite conservative when I say 10x, people that have focused on their tooling and not use the general harnesses will understand what I mean.

I use AI daily as well to build tools for my daughter, toddler video-games, daily books... and so-on, it would be so frustrating to lose this.

segfaltnh 16 hours ago | parent [-]

I love the "IYKYK" as a kind of in joke among AI psychosis enjoyers.

chrisjj a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There'd be a huge problem training enough replacement humans to do the work to the low standard of the retired bots. We might have to settle for a rise in the quality of work. /i

temp_praneshp a day ago | parent | prev [-]

If it were just my company and not the whole industry for some newly discovered reason/vulnerability, I would quit because leadership has gone retarded.