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blfr 4 hours ago

I like the idea but do not have a good use for these semi-autonomous agents. Or any notion for a decent use, frankly. What do people do with them?

It sounds great to have an always-on box which does things. Like a server. I have servers. There are even Signal and other transports so you can communicate with the box conveniently. And then what?

sensanaty an hour ago | parent | next [-]

It's used primarily for generating spam and inventing scams. Nobody real actually uses this garbage, it's all just fake marketing and shills (when they're not scamming people, that is?

Topfi an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Now that is unfair. It also serves as a petting zoo for CVEs. Honestly tragic, I am starting to feel concerned for their well-being. So many in one code base, that has to violate some welfare laws. Almost 600 in less than a year, roughly two per day, utterly insane.

In all seriousness, the fact that OpenClaw wasn't treated as an interesting, but failed experiment and shut down is telling for this industry. Is just letting LLMs output code without reviewing the results a path towards major issues? Nah, that can't be the case.

And to proof it, here is a piece of software with some of the most CVEs relative to its size and age we have ever seen. We then get some highly paid engineers from companies like Nvidia assigned to somehow finagle it into a workable state. Not like, if LLMs where at the point that the purveyors of OpenClaw and co. seem to think they are, the models should be able to fix any issues by themselves. Especially considering the obscene amounts of free OpenAI tokens Peter Steinberger proudly uses.

In any sane time, we'd have looked at the result of OpenClaw and assessed it as not salvageable. This was barely more than an experiment when it became apparent that the inherent design was flawed after all. Mind you, it was a very informative experiment and I am thankful it exists as clear-cut evidence of the capabilities the models have at the end of 2025 up to now in 2026. Basically, OpenClaw Alpha should have been released as proof that LLMs aren't there yet and need strict review+guidance.

Development should have been restarted from scratch with A.) humans verifying the output, B.) an actual architecture in mind that the (human) developers designed and that took some learnings from the original release and C.) admitted that LLM coding in the way that yielded the original OpenClaw (as in, low to no human verification) shouldn't be done by anyone, at least with todays models.

az226 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

and the biggest reason was a plug for Peter himself.

xcjs 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Mine is contributing to media preservation by reverse engineering Android apps/games that were forced into obsolescence by Google's policies: https://xcjs.com/blog/2026/08/29/resurrecting-2013-with-qwen...

teekert 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think this is a good question, as with any of these new things you don't really feel any need indeed.

My claw scrapes some APIs, receives some emails with job listings, and matches it all to my profile. It can also fill two folders at 2 domains with anything (ie a demo for a website). It can also receive emails, make PFDs out of them and forward them to my bookkeeping software (which can only deal with attachments, not emails.) That last thing is just a script. I use Agentmail btw (a ycombinator startup), was easy to set up.

2nd iteration I was indeed eyeballing Hermes which is supposed to be more structured, maybe claw2 also is... I want to add some things, like have it manage my son's minecraft worlds (using docker compose), maybe have it access a calendar so it can make appointments (not sure how to set that up in a useful way yet).

The thing is in a Hetzner VM far away from anything important, dealing only with public data (except for the occasional invoice).

camillomiller 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Is it just me or all you describe would be easily scriptable like 5 years ago? Not being confrontational, it’s just that every description of what OpenClaw does sounds quite… not disruptive at all for something that was hailed as the biggest invention since sliced bread.

teekert 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah that's true, and in many cases the AI just sets up a cronjob and a script (and a mailbox, and an interface to telegram, and a reporting structure). But it's nice that in case of errors it handles the edge cases or it fixes the scripts. It can give the crontable over telegram, you can pause it for the holiday "Number one, pause all processing until further notice"...

But sure, it's not "rocket science", in fact, the skills to set it up indeed would probably help you set up the same scripts. It's just behind a chat interface.

It can be nice to say: "Add another minecraft world with the same user whitelist on port 25566" or "create a demo website for a home battery on domain claw.xxx.com". But it is indeed not very useful for me yet. I think the more access you give it, the more it can be like a PA, but I don't want it in my calendar/home assistant/paperless-ngx etc... yet... When I even get to this point I can see it being like my secretary ("Please get my incomes taxes statement from 2024", "Estimate this years income taxes from my invoices so far", "Plan appointment with ..." etc)

legostormtroopr 2 hours ago | parent [-]

"Number one, pause all processing until further notice"...

Because OpenClaw (well, all AI) is well known for following instructions correctly.

https://au.pcmag.com/ai/116091/meta-security-researchers-ai-...

teekert 2 hours ago | parent [-]

There are reasons to be careful indeed, but for me all instructions were followed nicely so far.

Yesterday I had Claude (in CC) do a large number of changes to my codebase using a bash script, even though I was in planning mode and in claude.md it says: Always first list the steps you're going to take before execution. It apologized of course... But I know how LLMs can be. I take that into account.

newswasboring 2 hours ago | parent [-]

This is my pet peeve. All the disastrous failures get reported big, but the news doesn't report when a system just quitely does the task.

teekert 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

In this case the "disastrous failure" is even from a super careless "experiment" by a "competitor" that likes regulation.

oarsinsync 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

100% easily scriptable. Just like running an (S)FTP server is easy, and Dropbox is not at all disruptive.

Except you're overestimating the barrier to entry of scripting for the overwhelming majority of people. OpenClaw is not disruptive because it does something that wasn't possible before, it's disruptive because it enables more people to do the thing that was limited to fewer people.

Where I get confused is why my techie friends are all going bananas over claws... they all know how to script already, and are crying about burning through multiple $200 claude subscriptions a month, filtering email. This I can't understand.

flashblaze 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I believe the thing which makes OpenClaw interesting is you can just ask it to do these things and it just does. Rather than you having to write these scripts. I understand with LLMs, writing these scripts would now be trivial, but I believe this is even more convenient.

ed_elliott_asc 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

At least writing scripts you know what it will and won’t do, with open claw it will probably do what you want and maybe won’t do anything you don’t want.

teekert 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You can check the scripts and cronjobs, als ask it to summarize the scripts actions (using another agent/model if you want). All in all, LLMs are not 100% trustworthy but generally things go as intended.

ed_elliott_asc 2 hours ago | parent [-]

“Generally” I am not anti ai in any way but I do worry people will end up in trouble by giving things like ai agents too much fredom

teekert 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

Ah yes people get into trouble in all sorts of ways.

petesergeant 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah, that's absolutely a real phenomenon, but I don't think it's especially OpenClaw-specific: I have lots of folders that are just collections of instructions and scripts that have mostly started with a prompt, and that I run sandboxed agents over. Previously I'd have considered automating them, but now it's just "fire up sandbox in a project folder, let the tool build itself". I wrote about this a bit here: https://sgnt.ai/p/the-software-i-stopped-writing/

aldanor 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's also things like being able to change runtime configs in human language without having to turn to computer, eg "please also track when this artist is in my area". Nothing revolutionary, but kinda the whole point? Tell it what to do, it goes off, does some chores and searches, updates some configs so that later on some crons would use them.

rcarmo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I created https://github.com/rcarmo/piclaw to use for long-running background tasks (spec to plan to targeted code) because I needed something that could run on a server (I never run agents locally) and check on via any browser. I don’t think any messaging app will provide a good (or trustworthy) way to get to my own machines, so Tailscale+web it is.

Right now these things manage most of my homelab (scoped Proxmox tokens and Portainer), help me with my projects and even bug fix themselves (they’re certainly more than good enough given guidance).

johnnyApplePRNG 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nobody actually uses openclaw. [0]

It's all just marketing.

[0] https://trends.google.com/explore?q=openclaw&date=today%201-...

jordiburgos 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

Are they using something else or nothing at all?

Skunkleton 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wouldn't trust it with a credit card, or really any sort of non-reversable decision making. Most of what I do outside of work either requires physical interaction, or is something I do for fun. For now, I assume that is what people use this stuff for. Fun.

Flere-Imsaho 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't use OpenClaw, but rather Hermes. I have a set schedule that kicks off Hermes to scan my home network for anything out of sorts, and generate a summary that it sends to me via SimpleX. For this, Hermes uses tools such as nmap, etc (it decided which tools were best).

I think if I was running my own business or organisation, I'd be using it more. However, for "home" stuff, like you I struggle to think of useful tasks for agents to do for me.

petesergeant 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Has it ever found anything? If so, what? I've been marginally tempted to do something similar

simon-b 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Re Signal, I've taken a few flights lately where there's messenger-only wifi, and it's been handy to have OpenClaw on a box accessible through telegram to do web_searches for me.

That's certainly not justification for setting it up in the first place, but is a mildly useful benefit of having done so.

tidbeck 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I screenshot the info sent from my sons pre-school and send it. I can then ask it about and get reminders in time for odd closing hours etc. Also use it for follow ups on projects, other reminders, research on the go, small apps/games and language training.

(Similar system to OpenClaw)

comboy 3 hours ago | parent [-]

RAGish storage with different access methods including IM and parsing data from photos sounds good to me. But openclaw seems like a bit too big of a gun for that, did anybody create something more suitable for the job yet?

ImHereToVote 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I use mine to manage a paperclip factory.

dgellow 3 hours ago | parent [-]

How is it going so far?

ImHereToVote 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It keeps asking for more and more compute. I also see a bunch of my household items turn into paperclips.

newswasboring 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Job search and language learning. The job market for juniors and mid level is crazy. Everyone has a different form to fill out with the same questions. My wife has countered this by using Hermes and some handcrafted master files/db.

I personally use the Matt Pocock teaching skill to learn dutch, passed reading using it, on track to pass writing with it.

latexr an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They’re used by people at tech companies often claimed to employ “the brightest minds of our generation” to get rid of all their email[1]. You can also use them to harass open-source developers and waste everyone’s time[2] or to get yourself compromised[3].

[1]: https://www.pcmag.com/news/meta-security-researchers-opencla...

[2]: https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on...

[3]: https://thecyberexpress.com/openclaw-vulnerability-open-sour...

Almondsetat 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"hey computer, i want to watch a movie on my jellyfin server tonight, get it done" and openclaw autonomously finds the torrent, downloads it, moves it to the NAS, and you sit down at the end of the day with everhything set up

tvbusy 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

AI is a terrible choice for this task. Radarr does this much better with plenty of built-in as well as community guides for configuration. Add a mobile app for Radarr and it's as convenient as it can be.

Almondsetat 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Who said openclaw cannot install radarr and operate it?

c0rruptbytes 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

the rr suite seems much better for that

normis 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Of course you can use the native UI of all the apps in your ecosystem, the biggest feature of Hermes for me personally is that I can run any task in any of my 30 or so self hosted tools from a single chat interface (matrix), which is also quite secure. No longer do I need 30 open tabs and lots of clicking around, one sentence in my favorite chat app (even on the go in the phone), and many tasks can be executed at once. Unification of control.

ssl-3 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The same concept works with the arrs, too, doesn't it?

camillomiller 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You’re still responsible for the copyright infringement I’m afraid

m4rtink 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Just say its the agent itself watching it to learn and expand its AI model and BAM its totally clean fair use!

nextaccountic 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

i like the idea of autonomous agents automatically committing fake crimes

gitaarik 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There's enough movies downloadable with no copyrights

cheeze 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I use something like OpenClaw. For me the big benefit isn't so much the autonomous nature but the organizational structure. The one I use exposes an MCP and lets me control it via talking to an LLM _in the tool_ which is really powerful. EG "audit this", "in X thread we were discussing Y, can you pull that information", etc. And the organizational structure just... makes a ton of sense to me. Don't have to set up a ton of steering and whatnot, it just kinda works.

Being able to use the search to find and resume an old thread is fantastic. The thing I use lets me use whatever underlying CLI that I want, which IMO the biggest limitation on Claude Code or whatnot is that you... have to use Claude models. Sometimes I wanna use sol, sometimes a cheap chinese model, etc. And I want sol with 1m context.

I know there are other tools out there that can do this. I know some people love their tmux/cmux, but IMO the thing that matters the most is being comfy and knowing the tool well. Hell, James Gosling used NetBeans when I talked to him in 2023. Know the tool well and that matters the most, IMO.

For me, it helps with my ADHD brain. And I could spend all day just researching and trying new tools, they are a dime a dozen these days.

Pulling some stats, I have 25 "tabs", and across all of those, I have 1,298 unique threads. 9,539 unique messages.

It works for me, but I don't care about the autonomous part.

reacharavindh 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Which tool is it that got you comfortable? I’ve been resisting setting up another tool because it means more digression for my ADHD brain. It sounds you managed to contain the tinkering and got to the usefulness part. That’s why I’m curious.

vasco 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What they do is create content to spam the rest if us.

downrightmike 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Its basically what self hosting is for IT guys, except people who don't 'get' technology

PaulRobinson 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Imagine if your post read like this:

> I like the idea but do not have a good use for these employees. Or any notion for a decent use, frankly. What do people do with them?

> It sounds great to have an employee which does things. Like an assistant. I have assistants. They even have email and mobile phones so you can communicate with them conveniently. And then what?

Now, the caveat, is you have to imagine that these employees have access to your email (including ability to send email when they want), and text messages, and Slack and, well, everything. And they might have access to your debit and credit cards. You're going to have to trust them quite a lot, but when you read the references you realise that a lot of people seem to think they lie and make things up. Oh, and they occasionally commit a felony - oopsie! - and will lie to you about it consistently.

These particular employees are interesting enough to various groups of people that they are studied for signs of psychopathy and malicious intent (is that a warning sign for a new employee?), and there is evidence of both, but honestly, it's fine.

So, yeah, whatever you'd use employees for, as assistants to your life. Particularly psychopathic, malicious, lying, unreliable employees. You'd use them for that stuff. What's not to like?