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hn_throwaway_99 3 hours ago

I mean this genuinely, did you read this post? I think it goes to great lengths highlighting, in quite specific detail, the human failures in all this, specifically this list that starts with "While we are here, it’s worth listing the other top holy shit moments, that come from before or after the incident."

Stuff like (all quoted directly from the post):

1. Failure to Care or Respond. The biggest holy shit moment, to me, remains that OpenAI on multiple occasions had teams that found out about the message board, knew that agents were in communication, and they disregarded this.

2. Failure to Monitor. The entire time, there was almost no monitoring of the situation, of what these AIs were up to. That’s how this was not caught.

7. Failures of Decision Making. OpenAI’s post mortem does not ask the question of how Mistakes Were Made, at various points.

And I think most importantly:

8. Failures of Culture. None of this would be possible, let alone all of it, without OpenAI having experienced profound failures of safety culture. I see OpenAI responding to some other aspects with swift action, but no sign on this front.

DennisP 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Well that's a relief. All we have to do is make sure to avoid human failures and we're safe from superintelligent AI.

superq an hour ago | parent [-]

I get the snark (and slightly agree), but that's not really what GP or TFA were saying at all. They are saying that these were the least things we could have done.

What you're saying is, "Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn't stop to think if they should"

while the author of the TFA was saying, in effect: "your scientists didn't even bother with the most basic duty of care"

Life finds a way, or, in this case, super-intelligent AI.

estearum an hour ago | parent [-]

This is the case with all complex system failures. There were always obvious fixes that could’ve prevented it. Problem is that there are an infinite number of obvious fixes to make at any time to any system, and the reason we don’t is because we have finite resources and no reason to fix X over Y until oops turns out X was “responsible” for this most recently realized failure. But of course it could have just as easily been Y, or Z, or any of the other infinite “obvious fixes not-yet-realized into catastrophe.”