Hm, interesting - how will it look the actual solution for such problems in the future. I suppose the issue will continue to grow.

First idea - there should be some cost for sending traffic somewhere. And the server owner also should receive pay - not only the internet provider.

So, in with this idea, the server owner can potentially increase the amount of computing power to satisfy all requests.

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klez 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> there should be some cost for sending traffic somewher

So now, because of bad actors, I need to pay for the privilege of watching a website or using a service that was meant to be free? No, thanks.

I don't have a solution, but "break how the web currently works" is not one I would accept all willy nilly.

EDIT: yes, I realize we already broke the web (with Anubis, cloudflare, recaptcha etc) but I think we should resist slowly breaking it further.

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inigyou an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The internet is already like that, but for some reason the payment only extends as far as the recipient's ISP, not the actual recipient. Most senders pay a flat rate, but their ISP doesn't.

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feelamee 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> So now, because of bad actors, I need to pay for the privilege of watching a website or using a service that was meant to be free? No, thanks.

First of all - I suppose it should be very cheap. So, real humans will not pay much.

Second - why do u think that websites are meant to be free? They provide some service, so its a rather strange that the internet is so free (in both senses). I think, this freeiness is allowed to greatly speed up popularization. But for me is obvious that it can demand payment for service.

And third - service owner really meant it to be free, I don't see any problems with this in my idea. It can still provide free service.

	▲	klez 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I'm not saying websites can't demand payments for service, I'm just saying it's bad if it's a necessary fix for "scrapers are destroying the basic social contract of the web".

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rwmj 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's a social problem, technical solutions aren't going to work. To solve social problems you need the law to get involved. It should simply be illegal to install malware on someone's TV and use it to hijack their internet connection, and the punishment should be the same as for any theft of service, including imprisonment for people who do it.

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feelamee 5 hours ago | parent [-]

The law will not work without a technical solution. So, you need both. But, at least, technical.

	▲	inigyou an hour ago \| parent [-]
		You just take a sample of the crawling to whichever police department knows how to deal with DDoS, they subpoena the ISPs involved and trace who's using the proxies?