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rcxdude 6 hours ago

These crawlers (in contrast to e.g. googlebot and similar better behaved crawlers) are not very smart: they seem to make very little effort to avoiding crawling useless deep trees of generated pages. About the only thing they seem to put a lot of effort into is avoiding blocking.

(I'll note that while these are generally attributed to AI data gathering because of the timing of when they took off, it's not actually obvious who's running these bots. The big players all have crawlers that identify themselves and are reasonably well behaved, but I don't know if anyone has managed to positively attribute these other ones to any particular group)

ipdashc 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> it's not actually obvious who's running these bots

This is fascinating to me. It's a large enough phenomenon that it's affecting the entire Internet and yet nobody seems to know yet who's actually doing it. Which isn't surprising, of course, it's hard to trace back to a source through all these proxies and it's probably a bunch of distinct groups anyways, but still!

Personally I have to wonder how much of it is "scrapers for training data" vs just tool-use LLMs. Even if you use chatgpt in thinking mode you can clearly see it searching and visiting a bunch of different websites to answer a question, presumably faster than any human would. That's got to add up. It's got me wondering why everyone seemingly discounts that as an option

inigyou an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Especially since if any crawler IP is in your country, you can get a subpoena to find out who it is.

tmp10423288442 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

ChatGPT uses a distinct bot type for ChatGPT-initiated web search versus model training:

GPTBot → model improvement / training crawl

OAI-SearchBot → search index / ChatGPT Search

ChatGPT-User → fetch initiated by a user's ChatGPT interaction

OAI-AdsBot → advertising landing-page crawl

voakbasda 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why do we think that only “good guys” are training LLMs? I imagine organized crime is getting in on the game too.

Symbiote 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Meta is an exception. They intentionally ignore robots.txt rules.

(No second chances, I blocked their whole IP range.)

inigyou an hour ago | parent [-]

Everyone ignores robots.txt because every robots.txt blocks everyone.

nubinetwork 30 minutes ago | parent [-]

I allow Google, Bing, Yahoo, Kagi, and Apple on my personal blog... who else do I need to allow? Claude, OpenAI, Alibaba, and perplexity can go to hell.