In the US we also have tech companies going out of their way to make their devices have strong encryption and be unbreakable.

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derwiki 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Maybe I’m naive: I can believe the e2e encryption happens, but it takes a lot of faith to believe there’s no front-end telemetry that would render that ineffective.

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throw0101a 3 days ago | parent [-]

Define "ineffective". Traffic analysis is a thing:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_analysis

but message E2EE is generally not designed to solve that. Other layers of the stack would probably have to get involved.

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inigyou 3 days ago | parent [-]

For instance WhatsApp uploads your unencrypted message history to Google Cloud once a week.

	▲	fsflover 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Or iPhone storing all previous unencrypted notifications including Signal messages, if you didn't switch it off: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47716490

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enoint 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Wired has reported that ongoing DHS surveillance tracks “anti-tech” and anti-AI sentiment. So the tech firms have concerns on both sides.

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lioeters 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And the marketing to make people believe it!

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lazide 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sometimes, with likely exceptions.

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softwaredoug 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes hashtag “Not all tech companies”

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ethagnawl 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

One. Most of the time. Supposedly.