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nobodywillobsrv 20 hours ago

I see this response a lot. What part of the thinking are you thinking is actually offloaded?

Writing things down and then arguing with an agent that constantly gets things wrong is just a new kind of Rubber Duck.

Are Rubber Ducks offloading thinking?

These are more like search plus memory tools.

Memory loss is real but that has been happening for me way before agents.

titularcomment 20 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This came out a bit longer than I expected.

Depends on your usage. A rubber duck won't upheave the entire history of written human knowledge to reach for your answer. It doesn't have inherent bias, and its purpose could also be handled by a wall, or the air infront of you if you can stretch your mind a little. What I'm going for here is that as you said, its just a hack to make your brain look for answers in a more efficient manner, by clearly underlining your thought process out loud, tricking yourself into conversation mode, yada yada. Its still you doing all the work, you're just being smarter about it.

A LLM is more akin to a senior pair programmer. It may seem like a rubber duck on the surface, in the sense that you're having a conversation, but the senior programmer may come up with ideas you wouldn't think of. They may have more innate experience in the domain which might pull you away to very different implementations from what you had in mind initially. This is all good, but a common pitfall with LLMs is that they're much more conformative than a senior engineer, much faster, much more responsive. This is where it gets dangerous: they don't tell you you're wrong 80% of the time, like a rubebr duck. They also have innate experience of a domain, like a senior engineer. The result is that your brain never gets a 'hang' signal, and it doesn't feel the need to reevaluate.

philipportner 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Are Rubber Ducks offloading thinking?

Just that an actual rubber duck doesn’t do anything. You solve the problem you have by talking, and in doing so, thinking, to come up with a solution, an idea, or gain better understanding.

After that you either implement something yourself or have learned something.

With an LLM you offload all of that, the only thing you still do is tell it what the problem is. The agentic duck does the rest and you look at the output.

Even if you have to argue, you argue without having gone through the steps to gain anything yourself.