It's funny how much Google lies about Android being 'secure' [1] and how much GrapheneOS, for free, improves the security of everyone with their work. Google should be, immediately, merging all patches/changes GrapheneOS makes and releasing a new build of Android to AOSP. Instead, users are subject to weak efforts to protect their security and privacy while Google parade about how good and amazing they are. They mention [1] 'This unencrypted data can be used to build user profiles or, in the hands of malicious actors'...And can't see the irony. They ARE the malicious actor and they absolutely build profiles about everyone. Whatever happened to the 'privacy sandbox' initiative again?

Anyone who values Graphene's work will purchase one of their Motorola devices, whatever the cost, otherwise it seems your choices are going to be giving up more data and control to Google, because they are clearly, obviously and systematically trying to remove GOS from Pixels (lack of source code, removing hardware features, making it purposely difficult to support pixels).

I predict by 2030 GrapheneOS will not support any new pixels entirely. The existing pixels will eventually die off and that will be that.

[1]: https://blog.google/security/new-android-network-security-pr...

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palata a day ago | parent | next [-]

> Anyone who values Graphene's work will purchase one of their Motorola devices, whatever the cost

Well the current Motorola Signature (2026) is 3 times the price of a Pixel. Not everyone can afford "whatever the cost".

I hope Motorola will just get more and more phones to support GrapheneOS.

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grapheneos a day ago | parent | next [-]

Here's a direct comparison with the Pixel 11:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Google-Pixel-11-Unlocked-Smartphone...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Motorola-Signature-XT2603-2-SIM-Fre...

That's the 16GB variant of the Signature. There's also a cheaper 12GB variant, which is particularly competitively priced in India:

https://www.motorola.in/smartphones-motorola-signature/p?sku...

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palata 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The thing is, you can buy a Pixel 8a or 9 for a fraction of the price. With Motorola at first it will only be the expensive flagship.

My hope is that Motorola will have cheaper phones that work with GrapheneOS.

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aboringusername 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

For future readers: This is NOT a direct comparison. The Motorola linked is sold/shipped by a third party (KICKmobiles® London (Worldwide FedEx/DHL Shipping)). The Pixel, whilst a higher cost (£879 vs £795 for the motorola) is sold and shipped by Amazon directly.

And this distinction matters. You are able to hold Amazon to account for when/if things go wrong (CRA2015,S75,courts,etc). With the Signature, it's an import, consumers have vastly fewer rights, and there are no reviews of the product either (can you guess why?)

As Amazon is not directly selling the product (Amazon only facilitates the transaction but isn't the actual buyer or seller), enforcing any rights is going to be extremely difficult, if not impossible.

It's sad to see that point not acknowledged as it makes the Pixel vastly more attractive.

There is a more direct comparison on their own website which is £1,199.99 which is £320 more expensive than the Pixel. Your comparison is disingenuous and should be retracted in full as blatantly misleading.

[1]:https://www.motorola.com/gb/en/p/phones/motorola-signature/s...

	▲	microtonal 10 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It really depends on where you are. Here (NL) the Signature 2026 is 750 Euro from reputable sellers. But yeah, the Signature is not available everywhere, similar to how the Pixel is not available everywhere.

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microtonal 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I guess it depends where you are. Here the Signature 2026 is 750 Euro, which is about the same price as a Pixel 10 Pro.

They are quite a bit more expensive than the a-series, but I'm sure that the a series will hold up for a few more years, until GrapheneOS support percolates to mid-range Motorola phones. It's even possible, given that Pixel 10a uses the Pixel 9 CPU, that Pixel 11a will use the Pixel 10 CPU, so there might even be a new budget model next year with MTE support.

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protimewaster 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Well the current Motorola Signature (2026) is 3 times the price of a Pixel.

I understand the sentiment, certainly, but the price difference depends a lot on which model we're comparing to. The Signature will be the flagship from Motorola, and I'll be very, very surprised if it's 3x the price of the Pixel flagship.

Presumably someone who was planning to buy something like the Pixel 10a would be more interested in the non-flagship Motorola devices with GOS support, which are expected to launch later.

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palata 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Sure. But we're talking about a phone with GrapheneOS. If I need to choose a phone with GrapheneOS, there are cheap to expensive Pixels, and it is not clear at all if there will ever be cheap Motorolas. The Signature is very expensive, just like the most expensive Pixel.

	▲	protimewaster 7 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> not clear at all if there will ever be cheap Motorolas They've indicated that support will eventually be added for midrange Motorola devices, which I believe are historically price-competitive with the a-series Pixels.

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inigyou a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They see the irony, they know the irony, they know their money comes from that irony being ignored so they will never lampshade it.

	▲	aboringusername a day ago \| parent [-]
		It's obvious they see open access to users data as a threat to their business model. No, they haven't suddenly decided to care about your privacy, they want to deny other actors access so you need to get data directly via them. They will obviously still collect it themselves via their numerous methods (play services, chrome, ad networks etc).

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wolvoleo 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Can GOS continue to support existing pixels if AOSP drops support for them I wonder?

But it's easy to say 'whatever the cost' if you're wealthy :) For many people especially outside the US it's not that simple.

	▲	grapheneos 19 hours ago \| parent [-]
		AOSP already dropped support for Pixels with Android 16 and GrapheneOS has continued to support Pixels.