bigstrat2003 a day ago

They cared enough to do good work before, so I don't think that your explanation suffices here. From my observation (not just with their programming but in other interactions), it truly is that using an LLM has made these people less intelligent than they were before.

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fidotron a day ago | parent | next [-]

There was an increasingly scary mass of people in the industry that viewed the coding as a sort of therapeutic exercise, and would become quite obsessive about it. For those people LLMs are anathema because they take away what was the rewarding part of the job.

If you care primarily about the quality of the end result, as opposed to being attached to a particular process of achieving it, then you're happy about how things have gone.

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Sharlin a day ago | parent | next [-]

You find it scary that people enjoy what they do? Simply caring about the end result is often not wise, ethical, or sustainable, and the quality thereof is dubious in any case, especially when you consider that the end result of developing software is never just the artifact.

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fidotron a day ago | parent [-]

Treating coding as the therapeutic reward for other things (typically tolerating bureaucracy) and then indulging obsessions about it absolutely is unhealthy.

And I've seen exactly this across multiple large and small organizations in multiple countries, in addition to being all over here and the red site.

This is quite distinct from enjoyment.

	▲	aleph_minus_one a day ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> Treating coding as the therapeutic reward for other things (typically tolerating bureaucracy) and then indulging obsessions about it absolutely is unhealthy. > And I've seen exactly this across multiple large and small organizations in multiple countries, in addition to being all over here and the red site. I know that experience, but I do have a different opinion on this: Many such people studied computer science (a similar point holds for mathematics, physics and some engineering disciplines) because they love coding. Unluckily, the job that they got does involve barely any clever coding, but rather - tolerating and gluing together shitty code pieces that someone else wrote - tolerating red tape So, such people simply do in their free time what they love. And to come back to my point "similar point holds for mathematics, physics and some engineering disciplines": these people try to use their little free time to prove some novel theorems or put their shed full of machines like 3D printers, CNC mills, CNC lathes, laser cutters, self-built pick-and-place machines, ... to work on their own beloved engineering projects.
	▲	trelbutate a day ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		People who simply enjoy coding (without treating it to be "therapeutic") are still unhappy because working with LLMs is just not the same, and not rewarding in the same way

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ludocode a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> If you care primarily about the quality of the end result, as opposed to being attached to a particular process of achieving it, then you're happy about how things have gone.

We must be living on different planets, because from everything I can see, software quality is at a historic low.

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bodge5000 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

A friend of mine, really nice guy, is training as a lawyer at the moment. He has zero interest in law or justice, but heard that lawyers make a lot of money. Not too long about, programming went through a very similar phase. To be clear its not that I think programmers or lawyers shouldn't make good money, they absolutely should and it is deserved, its just it has the unfortunate side effect of attracting people who don't care about the field itself. For those people, they care as little as they can get away with and still be paid big money, and if LLM's allow them to do that at the cost of quality, they absolutely will.

I do think LLM's are making some genuine programmers less intelligent, but I think this type of person makes up a decent portion of its users too

	▲	asveikau a day ago \| parent [-]
		> really nice guy, is training as a lawyer at the moment. He has zero interest in law or justice, but heard that lawyers make a lot of money. Sorry to say this, but he doesn't sound like a nice guy.