| ▲ | DarmokTanagra 2 days ago |
| I hate the banners, and I am a major privacy advocate. The web has gotten so much uglier as a result of GDPR. |
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| ▲ | Symbiote 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| My employer's site has no banners, since we decided not to use any tracking. We measure our success based on enquiries, orders and so on, not the number of hits to the website. |
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| ▲ | DarmokTanagra 2 days ago | parent [-] | | so you don't track your bounce rate or effectiveness of your advertising? | | |
| ▲ | WA 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | You can track bounce rate and ad spend in a GDPR-compliant way. What wouldn't work is retargeting individual users via tracking pixels without their consent. |
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| ▲ | gruturo 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Shaka, when the walls fell. I hate the banners and the ugliness too but they are designed precisely to do that, and adtech maneuvers to ensure the hate is directed at the wrong source - the lawmakers instead of the people doing all the spying. GDPR 1.1 should address all that - no legitimate interest exclusion of any kind, ONE SINGLE CLICK to reject all, no witholding service at ANY degree unless consent is granted, a 3rd option (I offer to pay to not be tracked), and a mandatory disclaimer on the cookie banner saying in clear terms: "Tracking is spying. If we were not tracking you and invading your privacy, this banner would not be necessary at all". Maybe even revive the "do not track" header by mandating that websites react to it accordingly, obey it 100%, not even show a banner if the header already tells them what to do, and ask users if they want this set or not, without a default value which would give an excuse for complaint from the people spying on you. |
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| ▲ | DarmokTanagra 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I also read the post, and have handled multiple GPDR adjacent migrations in Asia. The end result is still the same, even with GDPR 1.1, another interstitial barrier between the user and whatever site they are trying to reach imposed by a poorly planned attempt to protect user privacy while simultaneously enabling the predatory companies who violate said privacy to continue business as usual. The cookie banner will remain on the vast majority of sites, and users will spam click past it as they have been trained to do. |
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| ▲ | intothemild 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The cookie banner isn't actually specified in gdpr, it was just how everyone else tried to build the solution to the problem at the last minute. I remember thinking "ok once this hits an actual web spec, we should see this built into browsers, and sent as headers or something" Nope |
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| ▲ | gmerc 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | It's a case of industry malicious compliance | |
| ▲ | sourcecodeplz 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | i was thinking the same thing. it could be like an actual element of your page. | |
| ▲ | brainwad 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Browsers already had a way to consent to cookies, since the invention of cookies themselves. But the EU didn't consider that _real_ consent. | | |
| ▲ | 9dev 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Treating the browser's "disable cookies" feature as a way to reject consent is not real consent. That cripples many legitimate use cases outright; it's neither accessible nor understandable by normal users; it's a technical defence measure, not a way to consciously reject contractual consent. In contrast, the GDPR demands that you properly ask for consent if you want to process somebody's personal information, inform them why that is necessary, and only process the data if they agree to the processing. There is clearly a difference here, and IMHO the EU is quite correct here. | | |
| ▲ | intothemild 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Correct.. the gdpr isn't the anti cookie law. It's the data privacy law. If it wasn't cookies it would be something else. | |
| ▲ | DarmokTanagra 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Correct in principle, completely ineffectual and annoying in practice. | |
| ▲ | brainwad 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Most browsers in the 00s had a "always ask" option for cookies. Nobody used it, because it's as annoying as gdpr dialogs now are. But it existed. | | |
| ▲ | M95D a day ago | parent | next [-] | | I tried to use it, but it didn't remember the "no" answer. Every time I loaded a page, the same confirmation for the same cookie was presented again and again. | |
| ▲ | 9dev a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah, but that's still way too narrow to capture what the law is about. The GDPR doesn't really care about cookies, or storing data on clients in some way. Instead, it's about end-users giving informed consent to processing their data. Not just by hand-waving away some disclaimer, but actually conscious of the consequences of that action, and why it is necessary to do so. I know this sounds all lofty and Brussels ivory-tower-ish, but I'm absolutely convinced it's the only sensible way to deal with personal information - even if American companies insist on forcing a new normal of lacking privacy on all of us. | | |
| ▲ | brainwad a day ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, I was more talking about ePrivacy cookie banners, which really are about storing data on user devices. The whole thing exists because the already implemented technical solution was deemed inadequate. |
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