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mirzap a day ago

Why do people keep insisting that subscription plans are subsidized? They are not. API prices are outrageous, designed to milk enterprise users. They probably have an 80-90% profit margin on subscription plans.

Inference is cheap; Dax once said on a podcast that Opencode has a close to 90% profit margin on the openweight models it provides inference for (at 10x cheaper pricing). Those models are close in size and spec to models from large labs.

sunaurus a day ago | parent | next [-]

To provide inference, Anthropic and OpenAI need to also constantly spend resources on training new models.

If either one of them stops doing that, customers will stop using them, because other models will become better.

In other words, there is no point in talking about inference cost in isolation.

citrin_ru a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

OpenAI leaked financial data (2025) suggests this - it has $5.7 billion for marketing which 44% of revenue. It’s hard to explain where these billions go other than into subsidised subscription plans and a free tier.

redox99 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Because using chinese models on OpenRouter is way more expensive than the equivalent codex sub, unless you use something clearly inferior like deepseek flash.

owebmaster a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> Inference is cheap;

When they outsource training to China they will be so profitable!