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inigyou a day ago

Why is it any different from "we want an asphalt parking lot but it's not worth the asphalt cost" or "we want a giant sign but the pole to hang it on is too expensive" or "we want an asphalt parking lot but renting the machine to paint the lines is too expensive" or "we want to be open 24/7 but we can't afford to cover third shift"?

cucumber3732842 a day ago | parent [-]

Because this is a constraint we've imposed upon ourselves to the detriment of the public. It's like how you have all sorts of workplaces with absolutely moronic rats nests of extension cords and power strips and whatnot because you don't need a permit to plug stuff in. They're following the rule and arriving at a stupider worse solution and we're all poorer for it. We could literally be richer at the stroke of a pen. Whereas to make paving cheaper we'd need to make technological progress.

Nobody's interests, except some spreadsheet pusher who's missing the big picture, and some idiot ideologues, are effectively served by putting a ton of "built to the bare minimum" green space that the users don't actually want anywhere the economic potential of the land supports more density of actual use. And if you have that density there's more than enough money kicking around to manage your stormwater more cheaply than piecemeal private solutions (basically all the same pro/con as septic vs sewer but with less digits in front of the decimal).

Yeah it's nice to have parks and recreational green space, but those are planned to be fit for that purpose. The catchment basin behind the shopping center's parking garage is only fit for making the parties that got to construct and maintain it a little richer.

inigyou 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Paying third shift a minimum wage is also a constraint we imposed on ourselves to the detriment of the public. Is it overreach when a store owner wants to be open 24/7, but can only afford to pay third shift $0.07 an hour and then government won't let him?

butvacuum a day ago | parent | prev [-]

It sounds an awful lot like you are willfully ignorant on water management.

Considering how accessable the basics are, I'm having trouble believing your argument is in good faith.

cucumber3732842 a day ago | parent [-]

It's all bullshit. I get the whole sponge principal. It's make-work bullshit to make everyone do all this BS when it would be infinitely more efficient to solve this stuff wholesale on a municipal level and reap the benefits of letting property development be constrained by one less requirement to shovel money at certain people.

Same basic argument in favor of municipal sewer over super fancy super high cost septic systems.

Aquifer replenishment isn't a concern in many states so that's a non-issue as far as I care, let the places who need to deal with it deal with it.

inigyou 19 hours ago | parent [-]

Municipal level stuff is highly constrained in the US because most suburban municipalities are bleeding money - they're either propped up by an urban core, or they're bankrupt and already letting vital services rot.